Psychokinesis (vidéo)

JMA said:
What do you think of these 2 videos?

http://sixieme-sens.info/Videos/telekinesie - kulagina.mpeg

and

http://sixieme-sens.info/Videos/telekinesie - kanal.mpeg

I don't know, maybe I should post these on the "conjurer" area of the forum, but hey, some parapsychologist claims these video to be genuine psychokinesis phenomena!
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I take it you're looking for explanations of how such feats could be done with trickery. The first one could be done with a magnet under the table if the moving object was the right type of metal. The second one I'm not so sure about, but perhaps could be done by weakening the metal in some way prior to the filming.

Beth
 
I would be greatly surprised if Jamy Ian Swiss could not do both of those, but better.

That said, I do not personally know how it is done, but I have seen professional magicians do virtually identical tricks.
 
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Beth said:
I take it you're looking for explanations of how such feats could be done with trickery. The first one could be done with a magnet under the table if the moving object was the right type of metal. The second one I'm not so sure about, but perhaps could be done by weakening the metal in some way prior to the filming.

Beth
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Here's another very realistic theory: Notice how the subject moves her hands around the object as the object moves itself. It's very likely that she is holding an etremely fine loop of clear fishing string (or even a very long single strand of hair) that becomes noticeable ONLY when you get really REALLY close to it. So even if the camera were 2 to 3 feet away, the string or strand of hair would remain almost completely invisible.

As far as the second one is concerned? First off, the spoon was first perfectly vertical, then as it bent, it tilted left. A very clever optical illusion.

Second, I would surmise that the spoon were made of a very flimsy material, such as aluminum, to help in creating this effect. But suppose it weren't, and it was just a regular stainless steel spoon. Clearly, it must have been weakened by a blow torch just prior to filming. Also, how do we know that it wasn't broken off and then crazy glued back together PRIOR to filming???

Third, there's a LOT that may be going on just OUTSIDE of the video frame that we CAN'T see. Notice how the very tip of the spoon was just outside the video frame AS IT WAS BENT. Could someone have possibly have been pushing against the spoon with his/her thumb to create the bending effect??? If indeed the spoon had already been previously broken and glued together prior to filming, could there have been a blow torch heating the pre-glued crack just outside the video frame (on very low heat --after all, there was a live human hand right there that would've obviously got burnt) that may have caused the breakage??? And for what purpose does the subject have to hold his hand to the left of the spoon for??? Possibly to be pulling on an invisible string glued just behind the spoon to aid in its bending effect???

Just my observations.... ;)
 
The first one looks like the standard thread held between hands trick. If you imagine the loop of thread between her hands and then watch the motion of the objects it's fairly obvious.

The second I don't know about, however note how the hand moves in relation to the spoon. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a loop connecting the hand and the spoon, a variant of the first trick.
 
The break point on the second one seems to be well defined before he even does anything.
 
Take a look at the spoon after the bowl has broken off. There is no bend at the broken end. So this form of telekenesis is *very* special indeed! It bends the spoon, then breaks it off at a place other than where the metal has been fatigued!

This trick could easily have been done with a low melting temperature bismuth alloy ( http://www.smallparts.com/products/descriptions/lma.cfm ) and a heat gun off camera.

To me, it looks like the ring finger of the left hand touches the bowl and initially prevents the bowl from falling off (so that the bend can be seen well) . A skilled metalworker could easily turn out dozens of these spoons for a video.



Next!
 
JMA said:
What do you think of these 2 videos?

http://sixieme-sens.info/Videos/telekinesie - kulagina.mpeg

and

http://sixieme-sens.info/Videos/telekinesie - kanal.mpeg

I don't know, maybe I should post these on the "conjurer" area of the forum, but hey, some parapsychologist claims these video to be genuine psychokinesis phenomena!
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What do I think of them ?

The first one of Nina Kulagina is wonderful. Also it wasn't just one parapsychologist who found out it was genuine.

Who's in that second video ?
 
Ahhh,jambo,is it national troll day again?

Notice in the first video how Nina K is moving backwards slightly,as salt cellar moves towards her.At one point she almost looks as if she is pushing back in the chair.Wonder why that might be jambo? ;)
 
Azrael 5 said:
Ahhh,jambo,is it national troll day again?

Notice in the first video how Nina K is moving backwards slightly,as salt cellar moves towards her.At one point she almost looks as if she is pushing back in the chair.Wonder why that might be jambo? ;)
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Same old excuses. I'm not convinced she's fake.
 
jambo372 said:
Same old excuses. I'm not convinced she's fake.
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If she came up to you from the grave and said "Im fake" wearing a tu-tu,you still wouldnt believe.Thats how sad you are.
 
Can someone please bend something cool for once? Like I dunno - a pencil? Breaking a pencil always lets you see how the force was applied - ya can look at the broken bits.

Or tell if it was burned (my lasor eyes did it!) or snapped etc.

That wobbly pencil trick is great - that special way you can wobble a pencil that makes it look rubber - anyone know the trick I'm refeering to? :p
 
jambo372 said:
I'm not convinced she's fake.
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Correction: You will not countenance the idea that she is anything but genuine. Big difference - see if you can comprehend why.
 
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tommyz said:
Here's another very realistic theory: Notice how the subject moves her hands around the object as the object moves itself. It's very likely that she is holding an etremely fine loop of clear fishing string (or even a very long single strand of hair) that becomes noticeable ONLY when you get really REALLY close to it. So even if the camera were 2 to 3 feet away, the string or strand of hair would remain almost completely invisible.
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I have a video clip of a magician who shows how it's done. Yes, with a very thin thread/hair.

tommyz said:
As far as the second one is concerned? First off, the spoon was first perfectly vertical, then as it bent, it tilted left. A very clever optical illusion.

Second, I would surmise that the spoon were made of a very flimsy material, such as aluminum, to help in creating this effect. But suppose it weren't, and it was just a regular stainless steel spoon. Clearly, it must have been weakened by a blow torch just prior to filming. Also, how do we know that it wasn't broken off and then crazy glued back together PRIOR to filming???

Third, there's a LOT that may be going on just OUTSIDE of the video frame that we CAN'T see. Notice how the very tip of the spoon was just outside the video frame AS IT WAS BENT. Could someone have possibly have been pushing against the spoon with his/her thumb to create the bending effect??? If indeed the spoon had already been previously broken and glued together prior to filming, could there have been a blow torch heating the pre-glued crack just outside the video frame (on very low heat --after all, there was a live human hand right there that would've obviously got burnt) that may have caused the breakage??? And for what purpose does the subject have to hold his hand to the left of the spoon for??? Possibly to be pulling on an invisible string glued just behind the spoon to aid in its bending effect???

Just my observations.... ;)
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When the video starts, the spoon is held vertically. Then, after 3 seconds, it is tilted slightly, and then more, to make the bowl fall off.

The bowl of the spoon is already separated from the handle before the video starts. It is merely balancing.
 
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CFLarsen said:
I have a video clip of a magician who shows how it's done. Yes, with a very thin thread/hair.



When the video starts, the spoon is held vertically. Then, after 3 seconds, it is tilted slightly, and then more, to make the bowl fall off.

The bowl of the spoon is already separated from the handle before the video starts. It is merely balancing.
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If it's the same video you were ranting on about earlier with that Albert Cooper or whatever his name is, he doesn't show how it's done. They just show you the film of Nina Kulagina and then he goes into a pub and moves a packet of fags across a table with a thin thread/hair. It doesn't actually show that Nina Kulagina used the same method. It shows a french psychic who apparently has a thread between his hands moving an eggcup.
 
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jambo372 said:
If it's the same video you were ranting on about earlier with that Albert Cooper or whatever his name is, he doesn't show how it's done. They just show you the film of Nina Kulagina and then he goes into a pub and moves a packet of fags across a table with a thin thread/hair. It doesn't actually show that Nina Kulagina used the same method. It shows a french psychic who apparently has a thread between his hands moving an eggcup.
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Why would you believe that Kulagina did not use a similar method?
 
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CFLarsen said:
Why would you believe that Kulagina did not use a similar method?
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1) Despite numerous accusations and slanderous remarks against Nina Kulagina by magicians such as James Randi, claiming she uses threads, no one has ever proven she does.

2) Scientists both within and outside the soviet union tested the hypothesis of trickery using threads/hairs repeatedly, several times over a period of not less than 10 years.

3) James Randi himself replied to an email I sent to him enquiring about Nina Kulagina. He said the thread could clearly be seen in the film. I can't see it at all never mind see it clearly. He also accuses Nina Kulagina of using threads in a book he wrote. Can't he ( with the assistance of a film expert ), zoom in on the image of Kulagina's hands as was done in the film with the French psychic.
 
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jambo372 said:
1) Despite numerous accusations and slanderous remarks against Nina Kulagina by magicians such as James Randi, claiming she uses threads, no one has ever proven she does.
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Oh well assuming she had telekinesis is the logical next step then.
Hang on, no it isn't...

2) Scientists both within and outside the soviet union tested the hypothesis of trickery using threads/hairs repeatedly, several times over a period of not less than 10 years.
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And from everything we've seen and read all these scientists couldn't find their asses with both hands and a copy of Ass Detection for Dummies

3) James Randi himself replied to an email I sent to him enquiring about Nina Kulagina. He said the thread could clearly be seen in the film. I can't see it at all never mind see it clearly. He also accuses Nina Kulagina of using threads in a book he wrote. Can't he ( with the assistance of a film expert ), zoom in on the image of Kulagina's hands as was done in the film with the French psychic.
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This would be the e-mail you deleted yes?

I don't know which film Randi is referring to, or what quality copy he has seen.

But if she was using a thread her hand movements would be pretty much identical to what we observe.

But obviously it was some special kind of telekinesis that comes from the hands, not the mind.:rolleyes:

You'll get bored of this before we do Jambo.
 
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Ashles said:
Oh well assuming she had telekinesis is the logical next step then.
Hang on, no it isn't...


And from everything we've seen and read all these scientists couldn't find their asses with both hands and a copy of Ass Detection for Dummies


This would be the e-mail you deleted yes?

I don't know which film Randi is referring to, or what quality copy he has seen.

But if she was using a thread her hand movements would be pretty much identical to what we observe.

But obviously it was some special kind of telekinesis that comes from the hands, not the mind.:rolleyes:

You'll get bored of this before we do Jambo.
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I thought I had deleted it but I've still got it.
She can be using her hands to help her focus on movement ( in other films she doesn't use the hands).
 
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