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Protests Erupt in Cuba

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Public protests in Cuba, normally unthinkable, have erupted as widespread anger and frustration grows at the current situation. The Miami Herald reports:
In an unprecedented display of anger and frustration, thousands of people took to the streets Sunday in several cities and towns in Cuba, including Havana, to call for the end of the decades-old dictatorship and demand food and vaccines as shortages of basic necessities have reached crisis proportions and COVID-19 cases have soared. Miami Herald link
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A 14-second video shows people marching in protest.



With a population of 11 million people -- thirty times smaller than the United States -- Cuba is now recording more new Covid-19 cases per day then in the U.S. :(.
 

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A System modeled after that of the old Soviet Union fails badly. Whatta surprise.
But I though Cuba had such a great health care system?
 
dudalb said:
A System modeled after that of the old Soviet Union fails badly. Whatta surprise.
But I though Cuba had such a great health care system?
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What made you think it was so great? A nationalised health care system is only going to be as good as the people in charge and how much they are willing to invest in it.
 
RolandRat said:
What made you think it was so great? A nationalised health care system is only going to be as good as the people in charge and how much they are willing to invest in it.
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It has been constanlty touted by Castro apologist as being great, Micheal Moore being the worst example.
It seems not to be that good in reality.
 
dudalb said:
It has been constanlty touted by Castro apologist as being great, Micheal Moore being the worst example.

It seems not to be that good in reality.
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I have no dog in the fight.

But covid cases and deaths rising isn't a result of health care infrastructure and serviceability, it is a failure of public health care policy.

12% vaccinated. That's the reason.

Now, is that a failure of leadership or a failure of execution? I don't know.
 
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The Cuban people have suffered a lot under communist rulers. I wondered if this might be the beginnings of a historic uprising -- such as we saw in Eastern Europe thirty years ago -- but the protests need to become widespread and pervasive to be successful. We shall see.

Bloomberg News loaded a video -- apparently from today -- showing protests in what I think is Havana.

 
Delphic Oracle said:
I have no dog in the fight.

But covid cases and deaths rising isn't a result of health care infrastructure and serviceability, it is a failure of public health care policy.

12% vaccinated. That's the reason.

Now, is that a failure of leadership or a failure of execution? I don't know.
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Probably both, given that Cuba, despite surface changes, is still pretty much ran on the hard line Soviet model.
I am not opposed to more democractig, moderate forms of Socialism, but IMHO hard line "The state controls everything" Marxist model has failed time and time again.
 
newyorkguy said:
The Cuban people have suffered a lot under communist rulers. I wondered if this might be the beginnings of a historic uprising -- such as we saw in Eastern Europe thirty years ago -- but the protests need to become widespread and pervasive to be successful. We shall see.

Bloomberg News loaded a video -- apparently from today -- showing protests in what I think is Havana.

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Cuba Libre!
 
dudalb said:
Probably both, given that Cuba, despite surface changes, is still pretty much ran on the hard line Soviet model.

I am not opposed to more democractig, moderate forms of Socialism, but IMHO hard line "The state controls everything" Marxist model has failed time and time again.
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The public health metrics are what I prefer to go by. As I understand it, they are on-par with many advanced nations and outperform the U.S.

YMMV.
 
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ANd in many forums the True Beleivers have shown up, blaming everybody and everything for the situation in Cuba except the Cuban Government.
US sanctions are getting a lot of the blame. I have been in favor of lifting the sanctions for a long time simply becuase that will take that excuse away from the Cuban Government.
US sanctions have only a minor impact on the Cuban economy.
Truth is a lot of people just cannot get their fantisized version of a workers paradise in Cuba out of their heads.
 
Cuban government is now using the old classic "The protestors are tools of the evil imperalist reactionairies" line in justifying supression of the protestors. And apparently the Cuban regime is organzing thugs gangs to go after the protestors.
Sadly, but to what should be nobody's surprise, the usual useful idiots are buying into the Cuban government line.
This is going to get really, really, ugly.
You know, I am wierd in one way. I don't like oppresive regimes, no matter what ideology they use. Oppersive regimes are bad, period.
 
dudalb said:
Cuban government is now using the old classic "The protestors are tools of the evil imperalist reactionairies" line in justifying supression of the protestors. And apparently the Cuban regime is organzing thugs gangs to go after the protestors.
Sadly, but to what should be nobody's surprise, the usual useful idiots are buying into the Cuban government line.
This is going to get really, really, ugly.
You know, I am wierd in one way. I don't like oppresive regimes, no matter what ideology they use. Oppersive regimes are bad, period.
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I agree the situation is grim and repression in all forms is an affront.

The reason it is an effective epithet, however, has a lot to do with it being true about as often as it is not.

This looks genuine and spontaneous and conditions on the ground warrant real, immediate, and visceral concerns.

But if we can't ever seem to climb more than a handful of years without our foreign intelligence services getting caught with their fingers in one or several South/Central American pies, it will continue to be a) available, and b) effective, in dividing public opinion enough to deflate their support.
 
They call themselves freedom fighters and think that they are fighting for all of us. They have formed the Joint Council of the Liberation Movement and call it a liberation movement for the people, by the people.

And they are against vaccines, against lockdowns - coronavirus is not a big threat, but the government is. It is - the many people think - part of a worldwide plan to secure all power to the elite, along with most of the money, and to oppress the people.
De kalder sig frihedskæmpere, og når de har vundet kampen, vil de stille dronningen og andre fra eliten til ansvar for corona-svindel (Jan. 17, 2021)
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I expect that Biden will intervene in the near future. He can be excused for having overlooked this plea from the group of freedom fighters because he had other things on his mind in mid-January.
 
newyorkguy said:
With a population of 11 million people -- thirty times smaller than the United States -- Cuba is now recording more new Covid-19 cases per day then in the U.S. :(.
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True! Let's look at some other numbers:
Deaths per million (Worldometers, July 18, 2021)
Cuba: 163
USA: 1,876
Yes, that's communism for ya!
USA! USA! USA!

The numbers of new infections and Covid-19 deaths are rising rapidly. At this point, deaths per million are somewhere between Norway's and Finland's. But for almost a year, Cuba managed to hold the virus at bay while developing its own vaccines, which are being used to immunize the Cuban population right now and are also used in Venezuela because the country did not get the vaccines it had ordered because of the US blockade.
It might have been better if Cuba had administered those vaccines at home instead of abroad, but the domestic vaccinations are going pretty fast in Cuba right now.
I can see why Biden would want to score a propaganda victory by giving some of the vaccines that the Americans don't seem to want to Cuba instead, but lifting the blockade that prevents the country from buying medical supplies would be an actual help.

I have recently donated a couple of hundred $ to the Danish campaign to send syringes to Cuba. Cuba has the vaccines to fill those syringes.

Support the campaign to break the US blockade and send syringes to the people of Cuba! (CodePink)

"Since 1962, the United States has forced pain and suffering on the people of Cuba by cutting off food, medicine, and supplies, costing the tiny island nation an estimated $130 billion."
That loss has made it "harder for Cuba to acquire medical equipment needed to develop its own COVID-19 vaccines and equipment for food production," BLM continued.
"This comes in spite of the country's strong medical care and history of lending doctors and nurses to disasters around the world."
Black Lives Matter calls on Biden to immediately lift the blockade on Cuba (CubaSi.cu, July 15, 2021)
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Sideroxylon said:
Maybe Murrica should end the ludicrous embargo?
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Agreed, but blaming the embargo for Cuba's economic ills we just another way of denying that the Cuban ecnomic system,modeled after the Soviet System, has been a miserable falure.
One reason why I suport lifitng the embargos is that the Cuban Regime and it useful idiots will no longer be able to use that as an excuse.
 
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