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"Proof Positive" TV show?

drelda

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Hi,

This series is currently being broadcast in the UK. The trailers promissed a serious scientific investigation into different paranormal issues and which sounded like a great idea for a TV show.

The format of the show is that each week they have 3 claims to be investigated - which they present the evidence for - then select a 'test protocol' and at the end of the show they show the results of the tests and give a conclusion as to whether the claim has been shown "Proof Positive" or not.

All sounds great - however I think the way the material is presented and the conclusions are seriously misleading - ie if one test fails to show that the claim is definitely false then it gets labeled 'Proof Positive' - even if the claim is definitely shown to be false - but there is still any question not completely answered it gets a 'Proof Inconclusive'.

The tests themselves seem fine - and professionally executed - but the conclusions they reach from the results are just not rational. eg I remember one episode where they investigated claims of a 'ghost light' at a lighthouse. The test very clearly showed that no ghost was involved in the light (just a reflection) - however just because there had been some peripheral unanswered questions during the filming they gave it 'Proof Inconclusive'! In the same episode there was a guy who claimed to have past life memories - and the test was a lie detector test. Just because the lie test showed he probably wasn't lieing (ie he believed the past life stuff was true) they announced the whole claim 'Proof Positive' - which is just bad logic.

Also - I don't like the way some of the material is presented - ie its generally from the point of view that this phenomena is a real thing and the question is just whether this particular case is a real example - however I could forgive that if they didn't stretch the conclusions so much...

Anyway - a real shame I thought - it could have been a great programme. Having said all that maybe there is still some value in showing people that these claims generally don't hold up - even if they imply that some of the time they do!

Anyway - I just wanted to know what other people thought - or if anyone had asked the program makers for comment.

- Drelda
 
...The tests themselves seem fine - and professionally executed...

Having said that - I remember one where they 'proved' remote viewing worked - where the test seemed very dodgy indeed. However I could forgive that if instead of concluding 'remote viewing works' they just said we didn't disprove it and it maybe deserves a more rigourous test...

- Drelda
 
drelda said:
Sky One in the UK - with repeats on Sky One Mix I think.
Nuff said :D

Sky One : Good for entertainment; probably not your first choice for factual programming (and owned by that nice Mr Murdoch, of course).
 
Mmmmm, Amanda Tapping...

Oh, sorry, was there a topic here?
 
The show I saw had a test of the telepathic abilities of twins. They gave each set of twins 8 questions, 4 picture questions and 4 word questions. The show's testers did not make it even remotely hard. One twin looked at a picture and attempted to transmit it to the other twin. My problem with the test is that the show did not have enough questions and did not have enough varied pictures and words. The one picture test that all twins had right was picking from two pictures, one of a beautiful house on a lake and the other of a picture of a plain photo of a married couple. All the transmitters picked the house and all the receivers picked the house. The other sets of pictures were also direct opposites. All you had to do is know your sibling well enough to guess if they would pick the pretty picture or the plain picture. The words were also opposites like "Love" and "Hate" again a good guess could be made if you knew the personality of the sibling you grew up with your whole life. The twins scored between 60 and 80 percent with an average of about 62 percent. The show called this "Proof Positive" If I were desiging the test, I would have picked more neutral words and pictures and presented more questions.
 
I have only seen one show. That was the piece of the Roswell spaceship. They shot it down, which impressed me. This was an on demand thing here in the US. The show ran about 5 years ago on Sci-Fi but only had a one year run as far as I can tell.
 

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