Problems for Pawlenty?

[leftysergeant]

It looks like Pawlenty will have a problem wooing law enforcement groups. Cops were already upset with governors who pardoned repeat offenders after one of the thugs that Huckleberry pardoned, and who later killed four cops in my neighborhood.

Now it seems that Pawlenty had pardoned a sex offender so that his wife could open a child care business in their home and the offender could get towing contracts with the police.

And now it turns out that the slimeball was doing it to his daughter.

Bad news for Pawlenty. Cops are an important voting block for Republicons.

http://blogs.citypages.com/blotter/2010/12/jeremy_giefer_timeline.php

 

[Bilbo]

Yeah, TPaw has a few issues...one involves his idea of "less government", here's an example;

 

[Tricky]

I seriously doubt that this is any major sort of problem. Picking an incident out of a politician's past and trying to blow it up into a total condemnation of their character? That sort of thing went out with Willie Horton. Sure a few kooks tried to tie Obama to Bill Ayers, but it didn't get any traction except among kooks.

Besides, I'd rather judge candidates on their full histories and stated policies. I don't think Pawlenty measures up too well in these, but I don't need to pry through old copies of Crime magazine to ding him.

 

[WildCat]

Yeah, TPaw has a few issues...one involves his idea of "less government", here's an example;

Pawlenty was governor in 1967, when that bridge was built?

 

[leftysergeant]

Pawlenty was governor in 1967, when that bridge was built?

Of course not. But he was governor when the maintenance that might have prevented the collapse didn't get done.

 

[Bilbo]

Pawlenty was governor in 1967, when that bridge was built?

No, actually he was in charge when...it farkin' collapsed.

The bridge that collapsed was one of those problem bridges that inspectors found to be structurally deficient.[7] The required repairs were not made before the tragedy.[8] A plan to strengthen the fatiguing steel trusses under the bridge was scrapped, some claim in part due to the $2 million cost of those repairs, although Mn/DOT engineers "scoffed" at the suggestion that this was a major factor in the decision

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_Molnau

I'll bet you blame Johnson for the WTC falling down?

 

[WildCat]

Of course not. But he was governor when the maintenance that might have prevented the collapse didn't get done.

No, actually he was in charge when...it farkin' collapsed.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_Molnau

I'll bet you blame Johnson for the WTC falling down?

But the cause of the collapse turned out to be the gusset plates, which no inspection had discovered. It collapsed due to a design flaw, not because of maintenance issues.

 

[Bilbo]

But the cause of the collapse turned out to be the gusset plates, which no inspection had discovered. It collapsed due to a design flaw, not because of maintenance issues.

Ok, you need to show your work...other sources contradict your opinion.

ETA:

From 2003 through August 2007, Mn/DOT had reduced its staff of 4,500 by 600

same link as above....who was the governor from 03-07?

 

[eeyore1954]

Ok, you need to show your work...other sources contradict your opinion.

ETA:

http://icivil-engineering.blogspot.com/2011/02/ntsb-releases-report-on-i-35w-bridge.html
The National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) Nov. 14 released its report on the August 2007 I-35W bridge collapse in Minneapolis. The report cited that the probable cause was the inadequate load capacity, due to Sverdrup & Parcel and Associates Inc.’s design error of the gusset plates at the U10 nodes, which failed under a combination of 1) substantial increases in the weight of the bridge, which resulted from previous modifications, and 2) the traffic and concentrated construction loads on the bridge on the day of the accident.

 

[Bilbo]

http://icivil-engineering.b logspot.com/2011/02/ntsb-releases-report-on-i-35w-bridge.html
The National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) Nov. 14 released its report on the August 2007 I-35W bridge collapse in Minneapolis. The report cited that the probable cause was the inadequate load capacity, due to Sverdrup & Parcel and Associates Inc.’s design error of the gusset plates at the U10 nodes, which failed under a combination of 1) substantial increases in the weight of the bridge, which resulted from previous modifications, and 2) the traffic and concentrated construction loads on the bridge on the day of the accident.

I kinda agree. Now show me where firing 600 MN/DOT employees had nothing to do with not discovering this fault prior to the collapse.

Bottom line, that picture of the collapsed bridge, combined with the caption, "Do you really want less government"? Is a death nail for TPaw.

 

[Dorian Gray]

But since that day, Pawlenty has kept Minnesota safe. There have been no other bridge collapses since then. That's why we need Pawlenty. Also, Mission Accomplished!

 

[WildCat]

I kinda agree. Now show me where firing 600 MN/DOT employees had nothing to do with not discovering this fault prior to the collapse.

The bridge was inspected, its deterioration was noted. It was deemed structurally deficient, but still safe to use for the time being. But inspectors don't analyze structures for design flaws, and in fact no inspector since the bridge was built in 1967 noticed the design flaw. What makes you think one of the laid off inspectors would have noticed what no other inspectors noticed in the previous 40 years?

Bottom line, that picture of the collapsed bridge, combined with the caption, "Do you really want less government"? Is a death nail for TPaw.

Really? Making Pawlenty a scapegoat for the bridge collapse is the best you can dig up on him?

 

[WildCat]

But since that day, Pawlenty has kept Minnesota safe. There have been no other bridge collapses since then. That's why we need Pawlenty. Also, Mission Accomplished!

Is he responsible for Randy Moss?

 

[Bilbo]

Really? Making Pawlenty a scapegoat for the bridge collapse is the best you can dig up on him?

Are you planning on voting for TPaw? Because if you are, you need to move to Iowa, that will be his last primary...or maybe South Carolina. I'm sure he'll skip New Hampshire.

As to your question....Yes. He was in charge, the bridge fell down...only in republican circles is that a good thing.

Do you remember that dude named Bush? Somehow the morons in the USA felt it wasn't his job to actually read, or act upon that PDB from 8-16-01.

Even the Freepers hate TPaw...they want Palin. (a real reagan con artist)

 

[eeyore1954]

As to your question....Yes. He was in charge, the bridge fell down...only in republican circles is that a good thing.

Do you remember that dude named Bush? Somehow the morons in the USA felt it wasn't his job to actually read, or act upon that PDB from 8-16-01.

Can't argue with impecable logic like that.
Sure beats pointing out like Wildcat did that in the years since the bridge had been built no one had found the design flaw.

First of all who said it was good thing it just wasn't a thing that he appears to warrant any blame for.

In the Democratic circles was it a bad thing that the Schoharie Creek Thruway bridge collapse happened while Mario Cuomo was governor.

 

[Puppycow]

Can't argue with impecable logic like that.

It's slightly (but only slightly) more plausible to link Pawlenty to the bridge collapse than something Michelle Bachmann said about how it was "interesting" that outbreaks of swine flu happened while a democrat was president (nudge nudge).

 

[mortimer]

Now show me where firing 600 MN/DOT employees had nothing to do with not discovering this fault prior to the collapse.

Show me that pink unicorns didn't sprinkle too much invisible glitter on the bridge (under orders from Obama, of course), causing the collapse.

 

[WildCat]

Are you planning on voting for TPaw?

Absolutely not, he's a homophobic creationist global warming denier. You'd think that would be a good start for criticizing Pawlenty, instead of making him a scapegoat for a bridge collapse he had nothing at all to do with.

 

[hgc]

Absolutely not, he's a homophobic creationist global warming denier. You'd think that would be a good start for criticizing Pawlenty, instead of making him a scapegoat for a bridge collapse he had nothing at all to do with.

Good points. The bridge collapse is weak tea as a campaign negative to be targeted against him. This thread is probably the last place anyone here will see it mentioned.

 

[Alferd_Packer]

Is he responsible for Randy Moss?

No, but he was the Purser on the Vikings "Love Boat."