Pro-Israel Palestinians

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Pro-Israel Palestinians

BY DANIEL PIPES
May 10, 2005

For all their rhetoric about Israel's "vicious" and "brutal" occupation, Palestinian Arabs - including their leaders - sometimes let down their guard and acknowledge how they prefer Israel to the Palestinian Authority. Here are some recurring themes:

Restraints on violence. After PA police raided the house of a Hamas supporter in a late-night operation and roughed up both him and his 70-year-old father, the father yelled at the police, "Even the Jews did not behave like you cowards." When the son came out of the PA jail, he declared it as much worse than Israeli prisons. An opponent of Yasser Arafat noted that Israeli soldiers "would first fire tear gas, and then fire rubber bullets, and only then shoot live ammunition. ... But these Palestinian police started shooting immediately."

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Edited for Rule 4 breach, it appears only subscribers are allowed access to the full article.
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http://www.nysun.com/article/13590
 
a_unique_person said:
Pipes is the guy who reckons the current Palestinian changes are just a sham, and the Palestinians will never rest till Israel is destroyed.
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Which shows he knows what he's talking about, doesn't it?
 
a_unique_person said:
So what's the point of the article?
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It appears, from what I could read, that the point is that sometimes some Palestinians think the Palestine authorities act worse then the Israel authorities when enforcing law and order.
 
Dan the man

Careful Mycroft, you've been duly warned about those Rule Breaches! Keep it up and that's the last we'll see of you of you around here for a while! ;)

This Daniel Pipes' article (and the longer version in Middle East Quarterly) can be read on his website, no registration, no charge, no problem.
http://www.danielpipes.org/article/2600



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a_u_p, how's your research coming along, trying to support your claim made on the thread "some people will sue anyone" about the IDF killing people by bulldozing them in Gaza? Find anything yet? I'll anxiously await the bump of that thread when you locate the proof of your assertation.
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BTW, Pipes "standard line" about the Palestinians being dedicated to the destruction of Israel is easily confirmed by reading the Palestinians' own Charter and other official documentation aa well as media reports and sermons in Mosques. It's not like Dan the man just invented his "line" out of thin air, without plenty of supporting material!
 
a_unique_person said:
No, as Skeptic has confirmed, that is Pipes standard line on the Palestinians.
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But then why would he be putting forward such an article - surely that means his article is contradicting his (other where) stated opinion?
 
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webfusion said:

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BTW, Pipes "standard line" about the Palestinians being dedicated to the destruction of Israel is easily confirmed by reading the Palestinians' own Charter and other official documentation aa well as media reports and sermons in Mosques. It's not like Dan the man just invented his "line" out of thin air, without plenty of supporting material!
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Thanks for the link to the article however it has left me even more confused, his next to closing paragraphs said:

http://www.danielpipes.org/article/2600

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These comments point to Palestinian appreciation for the benefits of elections, rule of law, minority rights, freedom of speech, and a higher standard of living. Amid all the PA's political extremism and terrorism, it is good to know that a Palestinian constituency also exists for normality.

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How is this then compatible with saying he holds the view that "I get that, but then they just want to kill them all anyway." and " ...the Palestinians being dedicated to the destruction of Israel..".

It would seem to me that he is saying very clearly that some Palestinians would rather have what we (USA/EU and so on) tend to regard as "normal".
 
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Darat said:
It would seem to me that he is saying very clearly that some Palestinians would rather have what we (USA/EU and so on) tend to regard as "normal".
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Does it surprise you that at least some Palestinians prefer Israel to the PA, prefer democracy to thugocracy?
 
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BPSCG said:
Does it surprise you that at least some Palestinians prefer Israel to the PA, prefer democracy to thugocracy?
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Darat seems to understand quite well. It's AUP who is confused.
 
AUP pretends not to understand the difference between INDIVIDUAL Palestinians prefering israel to the PA, and the PALESTINIANS AS A NATION, and the Palestinian Authority in particular, wishing to destroy israel.

It's like the difference between individual Germans who helped jews and and the Third Reich, or between individual Russians who helped Soviet dissidents and Stalin's USSR, or individual Iraqis who helped Kurds and Hussein's Iraq.

Nations can be murderously genocidal without every single member of that nation being so; if only that was not true, alas.
 
When your prefered solution to the "arab problem" is permanent occupation it is a requirement that you spin the idea that Palestinians would quite like an occupation... This article is based on a couple of anecdotes...Anyone want to bet on what would be the result of a referendum?
 
The Fool said:
When your prefered solution to the "arab problem" is permanent occupation it is a requirement that you spin the idea that Palestinians would quite like an occupation... This article is based on a couple of anecdotes...Anyone want to bet on what would be the result of a referendum?
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The only problem with that theory is nobody is suggesting that Palestinian-Arabs like the occupation.

Wanna try again?
 
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BPSCG said:
Does it surprise you that at least some Palestinians prefer Israel to the PA, prefer democracy to thugocracy?
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It is already well known that there are a lot of Palestinians who do not like the results of the intifada, etc. Arafat ran a politically opressive regime. How do you think Israel gets it's many informers?

My issue is Pipes. He has a long history of loathing the Palestinians, and accusing them of wanting only the total destruction of Israel.

The logic of the article is that Isreael is better than 'Palestine', and, see, even some Palestinians agree.

My contention is that he has nothing but contempt for these people, either way. His long history of ranting against Palestinians is proof enough for me.
 
from the article.

"For all their rhetoric about Israel's "vicious" and "brutal" occupation, Palestinian Arabs - including their leaders - sometimes let down their guard and acknowledge how they prefer Israel to the Palestinian Authority. Here are some recurring themes:"

so what have we here? The proposition that Palestinian Arabs would like the Israelis to stay....as I said, Those that see nothing beyond a continuation of the occupation of these people have to forgive themselves by spinning the line that they actually prefer it...

I can't begin to wonder at the breathtaking selective vision that would be required to believe that palestinians would prefer Israeli occupation.

note the use of the word "rhetoric" and "let down thier guard" to belittle palestinian grievances about the occupation, note the use of "recurring themes" to describe his unattributed anecdotes.

This article is blatant spin by a higly biased author designed to promote his extremist views. It reminds me of the descriptions of Israeli settlers on sites like electronic intifada.
 
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