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Pot v. Kettle

Q. How can you tell Joe Biden's lying?

A. The cameras are rolling.
 
What has the other participant in these "conversations" said about Biden's claims...you know...the only person who can actually confirm or refute his claims...W?

Without that, I hear nothing but a chorus of clanking pots and kettles all around.
 
Joe Biden barfs up more whoppers than a bulimic at Burger King.

His greatest lie, before which this particular lie pales in comparison, has to do with the death of his wife and infant daughter shortly after he won his first campaign for Senate:

“Let me tell you a little story,” Mr. Biden told the crowd at the University of Iowa. “I got elected when I was 29, and I got elected November the 7th. And on Dec. 18 of that year, my wife and three kids were Christmas shopping for a Christmas tree. A tractor-trailer, a guy who allegedly — and I never pursued it — drank his lunch instead of eating his lunch, broadsided my family and killed my wife instantly, and killed my daughter instantly, and hospitalized my two sons, with what were thought to be at the time permanent, fundamental injuries.”
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Obviously the incident was a great personal tragedy. But lying about it to score political points? NPR bought the story as Biden told it, but was forced to issue a correction:

Earlier versions of this story said that a drunk driver was responsible for the deaths of Sen. Biden's wife and daughter. There is no evidence that the driver was drunk.
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Brainster said:
Joe Biden barfs up more whoppers than a bulimic at Burger King.

His greatest lie, before which this particular lie pales in comparison, has to do with the death of his wife and infant daughter shortly after he won his first campaign for Senate:



Obviously the incident was a great personal tragedy. But lying about it to score political points? NPR bought the story as Biden told it, but was forced to issue a correction:
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You'll notice that Biden said "allegedly" drank his lunch. He never said the guy was drunk the day he killed his wife and daughter. Way to conflate and misrepresent to score your own political points. Confirmation bias much?
 
So Biden's "greatest lie" involves him telling the true story of his wife and daughter being killed in an auto accident, because he said the other driver was "allegedly" drunk?

If that is indeed Biden's "greatest lie," then as politicians go, that's pretty damn close to a saint.
 
themusicteacher said:
You'll notice that Biden said "allegedly" drank his lunch. He never said the guy was drunk the day he killed his wife and daughter. Way to conflate and misrepresent to score your own political points. Confirmation bias much?
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LOL! Keep digging, there's a pony in there somewhere!

The only person making the allegation that the driver was drunk is Joe Biden.

"The rumor about alcohol being involved by either party, especially the truck driver, is incorrect," said Jerome O. Herlihy, a Delaware Superior Court judge who was chief deputy attorney general and worked with crash investigators in 1972.
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Joe Biden, lying about the death of his wife and infant daughter to score some political points.
 
Cleon said:
So Biden's "greatest lie" involves him telling the true story of his wife and daughter being killed in an auto accident, because he said the other driver was "allegedly" drunk?

If that is indeed Biden's "greatest lie," then as politicians go, that's pretty damn close to a saint.
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You're right. I meant something more like "sleaziest" lie or "scummiest" lie rather than "greatest" lie.
 
Cleon said:
Yeah...Oddly, that really doesn't change my point any.
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Which appears to be that Biden wasn't lying in that instance, because the underlying story about his wife dying was true, even if the part about there being allegations that the guy drank his lunch were false, because there were indeed such allegations, allegations made by Joe Biden alone.

Or maybe we could buy the other argument offered by a Biden defender here that Biden never said the guy was drunk, just that he drank his lunch. Maybe he meant that the guy chugged down a can of Slim-Fast.

How about these:

The tape, which was made available by C-SPAN in response to a reporter's request, showed a testy exchange in response to a question about his law school record from a man identified only as ''Frank.'' Mr. Biden looked at his questioner and said: ''I think I have a much higher I.Q. than you do.''

He then went on to say that he ''went to law school on a full academic scholarship - the only one in my class to have a full academic scholarship,'' Mr. Biden said. He also said that he ''ended up in the top half'' of his class and won a prize in an international moot court competition. In college, Mr. Biden said in the appearance, he was ''the outstanding student in the political science department'' and ''graduated with three degrees from college.'' Comments on Assertions
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In fact, as the Times goes on to note, Biden did not have a full academic scholarship, did not end up in the top half of his class, was not named the outstanding student in the political science department (he claims to have been nominated, though so it's not a lie), and did not graduate with three degrees. He may have won a moot court competition.

BTW, on the subject, here's Rove catching Biden in a bunch of floaters at the VP debate.
 
Brainster said:
Which appears to be that Biden wasn't lying in that instance, because the underlying story about his wife dying was true, even if the part about there being allegations that the guy drank his lunch were false, because there were indeed such allegations, allegations made by Joe Biden alone.
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No, my point "appears to be" nothing of the kind. My point was stated plainly:

If that is indeed Biden's "greatest lie," then as politicians go, that's pretty damn close to a saint.
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In other words, this strikes me as a really, really minor issue.

I mean, exactly what "political points" do you think were scored that wouldn't have been if he left that part out?
 
Cleon said:
No, my point "appears to be" nothing of the kind. My point was stated plainly:



In other words, this strikes me as a really, really minor issue.

I mean, exactly what "political points" do you think were scored that wouldn't have been if he left that part out?
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Yes, you're right, he lied about how his wife died to score an exceedingly small point.
 
Joe Biden has been one of the more enjoyable vice presidents since Spiro. He's even better then Quayle.
 
Lost in all this debate about whether Biden's lie was minute, minuscule, or merely minor is - back to the OP - the fact that the criticism is coming from Karl Rove. We shouldn't even call them lies anymore - we should call them karlroves. What was Biden's greatest karlrove? Was it the drunk driving thing, or when he used that guy's speech and forgot to give credit? I think the drunk driving thing seems like a little white karlrove. Karl Rove, on the other hand, in the next breath after calling Biden a karlrover, actually went on to tell a karlrove about Biden:
Look, this is a guy whose 1988 presidential campaign was derailed because he was found to have been copying, plagiarizing a speech by Neil Kinnock, the leader of the British Labor Party, and recounting an episode in Kinnock's life as if it were in his own life, involving I think a coal miner relative or something.
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Total karlrove. He was adapting parts of a Kinnock speech into his own speech, and giving credit to Kinnock for it, and not "recounting an episode in Kinnock's life as if it were in his own" and then one time he gave the speech without crediting Kinnock (which is, let's be fair, plagiarism, and kind of a karlrove, even if unintentional) and it blew up in his face.
 
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