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Pot Question

SezMe

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Proposition 19 on the California ballot would legalize marijuana. I'm inclined to vote for it but an Anti-19 article has some arguments against it. One I have no knowledge of at all:

Property owners throughout the state would have a right to establish a 5-by-5-foot plot of cannabis plants for personal consumption - a right that could not be usurped by local ordinance. Anyone familiar with the stench and potential height of marijuana plants might pause at the thought of their proliferation in the neighborhood.
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What's the skinny here? Is this a valid concern?
 
A load of crap. Yes marijuana can be pungent during flowering but it's not an unpleasant smell and it's not going to be any more overpowering than other aromatic plants you're likely to have around, like say tomatoes when in full fruit. As for size, any pot grower worth his salt is going to grow smaller plants because you get a better yield:quality ratio. At any rate, unless they're dirty, dirty sativa's then their not going to grow taller than a metre or so, and even the sativa's tend to top out at 2 metres. It's nothing that local council ordinances couldn't weed out (ba boom!)
 
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Cannabis sativa, it's the tropical variant, tall, straggly, high in the cannabinoid THC (more psychedelic high, as opposed to the more temperate Indica, the Afghani hash plant, which is high in more 'stoned feeling' type CBD and a shorter, stockier plant)
 
I honestly haven't noticed a "bad" stench with it anytime I've been near a big crop. Maybe it does stink to some people, but like bit_pattern said, it's not going to be any more overpowering than other aromatic plants you're likely to have around.

That's actually a pretty weak excuse to try to persuade people to vote against it.

It can get tall, but again, it's not ugly to look at or anything.

I wish every state would follow California's lead on Marijuana law & hopefully you guys can get the ball rolling for the rest of the nation.
 
PS13 said:
I wish every state would follow California's lead on Marijuana law & hopefully you guys can get the ball rolling for the rest of the nation.
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Actually, that is one of the most significant drivers of my vote. The nation's drug laws do far, far more damage than good and change has to start somewhere. Why not the Golden State?
 
SezMe said:
Proposition 19 on the California ballot would legalize marijuana. I'm inclined to vote for it but an Anti-19 article has some arguments against it. One I have no knowledge of at all:

What's the skinny here? Is this a valid concern?
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Well, compared to most of the "reefer madness" arguments I've seen, this is at least somewhat rational.

I live on the other coast, but I would imagine many California gardeners enjoy many of the same breeds of palm and hibiscus that we do. After a heavy rain, there can be a somewhat "funky" smell, especially when the palms drop their seeds. Since hibiscus have no flowery smell, the smell of trapped, stagnant water can become noticeable (compare to, say, angel trumpets, which hold more water, but have an overwhelming, pungent flowery smell). Every once in awhile a get a whiff of something that might be mistaken for some marijuana, but I assure you, my garden is for looking and eating only. Usually I'm smelling trapped or stagnant water; the traveler palm for example holds water which can cause old growth to rot and stink a bit.

When grown inside inside in a dense, controlled "pot farm", marijuana does offer a rather pungent smell, but when outside, even the most pungent flowers are hard to notice from more than 10-20 feet away. I once had a roommate who grew a few pot plants among some weeds in a shared backyard, and no one noticed until he started bragging about it- no smell, not even noticeable plants among the other weeds. If not for a few pothead roommates, I myself would probably never have realized what it was.

But here is an argument for those who think pot is a silly plant, and people should find better things to do than smoke it: it costs an average of roughly $23,000 per year to keep a non-violent offender locked-up. Is it really worth $20k to stop a few potheads from killing braincells? Is that really the best use of this money?

Back to the subject of California- Schwarzenegger just decriminalized pot, making it a $100 fine. So it would seem to me the State of California is already 9/10ths the way there. And so far, even after YEARS of legal medical marijuana, no one can point to any increase in crime, or any other data that supports the arguments that this trend has caused any harm to the citizens of California.

In other words- the results are in- California has already semi-legalized pot, and the doom-sayers have been proven wrong beyond a reasonable doubt. Regarding the future, and Prop 19, the real question is this- does California want to make pot a source of revenue (via taxes), or continue tossing billions of dollars after a plant that will grow wild in the southern half of the state?
 
SezMe said:
Actually, that is one of the most significant drivers of my vote. The nation's drug laws do far, far more damage than good and change has to start somewhere. Why not the Golden State?
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Well, whatever you choose, I envy your chance to have a say on the issue
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SezMe said:
Actually, that is one of the most significant drivers of my vote. The nation's drug laws do far, far more damage than good and change has to start somewhere. Why not the Golden State?
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Again, I echo Bit_Pattern and am glad you get to vote on the issue.

And I totally agree with you concerning the nation's drug laws doing more damage than good. :)
 
UM, if you are growing it outdoors, you will not notice the smell, that is stupid hyperbole. Even a super hybrid indica outside will not smell any more than any other herbaceous plant. Dill is the only one I know of that has a notice odor.

Now the bigger issue with be the local teens rustling your crop, so have a plant indoors, if it is legalized.
 
Dancing David said:
Now the bigger issue with be the local teens rustling your crop, so have a plant indoors, if it is legalized.
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I see a new use to put the cops to: Grand Theft Sativa. Fingerprinting the window boxes all over Toledo? ;)
 
The offensive portion of the proposed legislation is this:

Property owners throughout the state would have a right to establish a 5-by-5-foot plot of cannabis plants for personal consumption - a right that could not be usurped by local ordinance.

Local municipalities are better suited to crafting such ordnances than larger ones. While I personally would probably vote to allow personal use and growth of marijuana, I would desire more to allow a mojority rule situation in local elections for local matters. Here, for example, it isn't legal to sell alcohol before noon on Sunday. I abhore the law, because I believe it has roots in Souther Baptist dogma, and violates the seperation clause. The courts have disagreed, ruling that it is a mere community standard, and the voters, when presented an opportunity to adjust the law, resoundingly refused to do so. I would oppose any effort to remove that voice.
 
sarge said:
The offensive portion of the proposed legislation is this:

Property owners throughout the state would have a right to establish a 5-by-5-foot plot of cannabis plants for personal consumption - a right that could not be usurped by local ordinance.

Local municipalities are better suited to crafting such ordnances than larger ones. While I personally would probably vote to allow personal use and growth of marijuana, I would desire more to allow a mojority rule situation in local elections for local matters. Here, for example, it isn't legal to sell alcohol before noon on Sunday. I abhore the law, because I believe it has roots in Souther Baptist dogma, and violates the seperation clause. The courts have disagreed, ruling that it is a mere community standard, and the voters, when presented an opportunity to adjust the law, resoundingly refused to do so. I would oppose any effort to remove that voice.
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I think this may have come about because of the problems with local ordnances concerning medical pot. In Monterey County for example it is possible to get a prescription for pot however there are no local distributors, Santa Cruz county, right up the road, has distributors but you have to be a resident of Santa Cruz county to buy from them.

I am sure that from town to town the regulations change causing lots of confusion. I agree with you in theory and for this to work the US government needs to allow the voters in Ca. to make this decision.
 
SezMe said:
Proposition 19 on the California ballot would legalize marijuana. I'm inclined to vote for it but an Anti-19 article has some arguments against it. One I have no knowledge of at all:



What's the skinny here? Is this a valid concern?
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Anyone bent out of shape over a neighbor's stinking 5x5 plot should plant their own 5x5 plot.

Problem solved.
 
GreyArea said:
And if I did notice the smell, what would it smell like? Rather, how much like its burned cigarettes would it smell?
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Nah, it's a much fruitier odour. Anyone who knows it knows it instantly, but those who don't will often have a quizzical look on their face like... "Is that what I think it might be? Nahhh, ehhhh... maybe?"

It's not unpleasant, but that's a personal judgement.
 
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