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“WASHINGTON (AP) — A Pentagon study released Friday that examined reported sightings of UFOs over nearly the last century found no evidence of aliens or extraterrestrial intelligence, a conclusion consistent with past U.S. government efforts to assess the accuracy of claims that have captivated public attention for decades.
“The study from the Defense Department’s All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office analyzed U.S. government investigations since 1945 of reported sightings of unidentified anomalous phenomena, more popularly known as UFOs. It found no evidence that any of them involved signs of alien life, or that the U.S. government and private companies had reverse-engineered extraterrestrial technology and had conspired to hide it from the public.
“It dispelled claims, for instance, that a former CIA official had been involved in managing the movement of and experimentation on extraterrestrial technology and said a purported 1961 intelligence community document about the supposed extraterrestrial nature of UFOs was actually inauthentic.”
“WASHINGTON (AP) — A Pentagon study released Friday that examined reported sightings of UFOs over nearly the last century found no evidence of aliens or extraterrestrial intelligence...
The Kona Blue project in particular was news to me:
Despite its conclusions, the report nevertheless revealed that the government did at one point consider a program to reverse-engineer alien technology. The program, titled Kona Blue, was proposed to the Department of Homeland Security and was supported by people who believed the US government was concealing alien technology.
“This proposal gained some initial traction at DHS to the point where a 35 Prospective Special Access Program (PSAP) was officially requested to stand up this program, but it was eventually rejected by DHS leadership for lacking merit,” the report said, adding that the program’s supporters never provided empirical evidence to support their claims.
The report said that AARO investigators found no evidence that US companies “ever possessed off-world technology” and that a claim by an interviewee who named a former military officer as having allegedly touched an extraterrestrial spacecraft “is inaccurate”.
“The claim was denied on the record by the named former officer who recounted a story of when he touched an F-117 Nighthawk stealth fighter that could have been misconstrued by the interviewee, though the named former officer does not recall having this conversation with the interviewee,” the report said.
No FTL travel essentially means quarantine for biologicals. The only travel that makes any sense is an attempt to leave a dying home world using generation ships, though in-system planet forming or the use of large and modular orbiting constructs for aggregation and disaggregation of space habitats may often make more sense than interstellar travel.
Bottom line, biological aliens visiting Earth makes no sense whatsoever. What does make sense is to note that there is yet much detail to be learned about nearby space and about how fast-moving objects may behave when glancing through the atmosphere.
"I can tell you that we're taking this seriously," Nemer told members of Parliament on Tuesday. "We're taking a very thorough approach to this and making sure that our recommendations will be based on the best evidence and interactions that we've had."
No FTL travel essentially means quarantine for biologicals. The only travel that makes any sense is an attempt to leave a dying home world using generation ships, though in-system planet forming or the use of large and modular orbiting constructs for aggregation and disaggregation of space habitats may often make more sense than interstellar travel.
Bottom line, biological aliens visiting Earth makes no sense whatsoever. What does make sense is to note that there is yet much detail to be learned about nearby space and about how fast-moving objects may behave when glancing through the atmosphere.
Researching objects in Canadian skies that are difficult to identify seems like a worthwhile endeavor. It does seem to differ from the USA study in that:
"Furthermore, it is not meant to prove or disprove the existence of extraterrestrial life or extraterrestrial visitors."
True. Without atmospheres, unless you are underground, no protection on planets or planetoids. Linkable modules can move out of the way of incoming ballistic impacts as well as move throughout the system for mining purposes. Wouldn't be surprised if that is how mining eventually evolves, into stable habitats.
The name "Kona Blue" itself is new (to me as well), but the effort behind it and the backstory is not.
From the report itself:
AARO assesses that the inaccurate claim that the USG is reverse-engineering extraterrestrial technology and is hiding it from Congress is, in large part, the result of circular reporting from a group of individuals who believe this to be the case, despite the lack of any evidence. AARO notes that although claims that the USG has recovered and hidden spacecraft date back to the 1940s and 1950s, more modern instances of these claims largely stem from a consistent group of individuals who have been involved in various UAP-related endeavors since at least 2009.
* Many of these individuals were involved in or supportive of a cancelled DIA program and the subsequent but failed attempt to reestablish this program under DHS, called KONA BLUE.
They're talking about the Skinwalker Ranch folks - Luis Elizondo, Hal Puthoff, Chris Melon, et al.
I've posted at length in other threads about the Skinwalker Ranch affair and its part in the recent UFO hype. Here's a summary timeline for those who are new to the situation: In 2017, a former Air Force intelligence official named Luis Elizondo gave public interviews claiming that the Pentagon has secretly been studying UFOs since 2007, and that he himself had been the director of the program. At the same time, contrarily, he asserted that he had just resigned from his job because the Pentagon was "not taking UFOs seriously". A ten-year-long secret program sounds pretty serious to me, but..okay, I guess.
Elizondo and a bunch of fellow UFO-believers, some of whom were also former military officers, have pushed hard for Congress to investigate and force the Pentagon to start taking UFOs "seriously". What you see today are the results of that superficially-successful effort, with a law since passed requiring the DoD to stand up a UFO investigation department, and a handful of highly invested members of Congress grilling military leaders every few months about why they haven't announced to the world yet that aliens are real.
It later emerged that Luis Elizondo had grossly misrepresented both the program he mentioned and his role in it. The long story shortened is, the original program was in fact a sweetheart contract for a Vegas billionaire to study ghosts and monsters at a haunted ranch in Utah (since yclept "Skinwalker Ranch") and Elizondo himself wasn't originally involved in it at all, only usurping the program's name for a separate, personal UFO-hunting effort he undertook after the original program was shut down. If you want to know all about that situation, I can't recommend this video enough; it contains a lot of crucial information:
There is also a much longer playlist that goes into further detail about the ranch, the claims around it, and the persisting effort to "investigate" it (and persistent inability by anyone to come up with evidence of anything) which is entertaining and enlightening but not strictly necessary for this particular discussion.
Anyway, Elizondo has since been largely pushed to the background thanks to his claims being revealed as suspect; the newest face of the pro-UFO effort is David Grusch, a different defense intelligence official and self-styled "whistleblower" who has also claimed that he has been told "by highly placed intelligence officials" - whom he will not name - that it is a matter of fact the US military has been recovering crashed UFOs and reverse-engineering the technology for many decades.
Grusch's claims are framed to make it sound as if his unnamed sources are hitherto-unknown, deeply-placed officials who are in a position to have first-hand knowledge of the incidents and programs they have "revealed" to him; but actually they're just Elizondo, Mellon, and others in that exact same orbit of UFO-nuts. It's the same people, going around and around and around. That is what this recent Pentagon report means when it says "circular reporting from a group of individuals who believe" in the UFO-retrieval nonsense. And they don't believe it because their jobs put them in positions where they had to be personally involved with any of these supposed "programs" and "retrievals"; they believe it because they all read it in various UFO paperbacks in the 80's and 90's that originally made all these claims and have accepted it as fact ever since.
Anyway, Elizondo has since been largely pushed to the background thanks to his claims being revealed as suspect; the newest face of the pro-UFO effort is David Grusch, a different defense intelligence official and self-styled "whistleblower" who has also claimed that he has been told "by highly placed intelligence officials" - whom he will not name - that it is a matter of fact the US military has been recovering crashed UFOs and reverse-engineering the technology for many decades.
Grusch's claims are framed to make it sound as if his unnamed sources are hitherto-unknown, deeply-placed officials who are in a position to have first-hand knowledge of the incidents and programs they have "revealed" to him; but actually they're just Elizondo, Mellon, and others in that exact same orbit of UFO-nuts. It's the same people, going around and around and around. That is what this recent Pentagon report means when it says "circular reporting from a group of individuals who believe" in the UFO-retrieval nonsense. And they don't believe it because their jobs put them in positions where they had to be personally involved with any of these supposed "programs" and "retrievals"; they believe it because they all read it in various UFO paperbacks in the 80's and 90's that originally made all these claims and have accepted it as fact ever since.
Does not appear to mention David Grusch at all. Although the conclusions of this report contradict his claims.
The only thing about this report that is a little bit disappointing is that it doesn't name any names but simply refers to people as "a group of individuals" even though many of these people have gone public and their identities are not state secrets.
That is indeed the report. And no, I am the one who's mentioning David Grusch, and Luis Elizondo and the lot, because that's who the report IS talking about even if it doesn't mention them by name. The contextual clues given - specifically referencing claims of "reverse-engineering" alien technology (which is the bulk of Grusch's claim), describing a consistent group of individuals that has been involved with UAP-related endeavors "since at least 2009" (which is when the AAWSAP/AATIP program Elizondo claimed to be the director of was initiated), and the mention of a "canceled DIA program" (again, AAWSAP) - make it pretty clear the report can't be talking about anyone else.
Investigating unknown aerial contacts in controlled airspace is not a waste of time or money.
Doing so because you think they might be aliens is tremendously misguided. Look how quickly the Chinese balloons were investigated and identified. Genuine foreign incursions would likely be identified in a similar timeframe and at similar cost.
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