Palin on SNL

[FaisonMars]

Given the way Tina Fey has trashed Palin (even not as a character), I doubted they would actually appear together... instead they passed each other as Fey walked off the set.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/18/sarah-palin-on-snl-with-t_n_135887.html

I thought her appearance was rather weak-- there really wasn't any self-deprecation or anything to take away the sting of the previous skits (esp. the Katie Couric interview parody). But, kudos to her for going on.

It seems like when they have people on whom they've really lashed, the only way it can happen is if they appear outside the "4th wall" with Lorne Michaels.

 

[RandFan]

Kudos to Palin.

I liked Fey but I don't have a lot of respect for her anymore. For some it's not enough to simply disagree with someone. Fey clearly has nothing but contempt for Palin simply because she disagrees with her politics. It's this kind of hypocracy that turns me off of the left. They claim to be tolerant and accepting of different points of views but it's largely BS.

I don't care for Palin's religion or her views on abortion and I certainly don't think she's qualified to be VP but I don't see hating someone or having a strong negative emotional feelings toward someone simply for ideological views.

 

[Oliver]

She didn't look as if she was amused about the sketch. Which
brings us to an even sadder conclusion:

1. Vice President
2. Speaker in Church
3. Clown on SNL

 

[RandFan]

She didn't look as if she was amused about the sketch. Which
brings us to an even sadder conclusion:

1. Vice President
2. Speaker in Church
3. Clown on SNL

True, but she is a governor of Alaska and she is more than you and I will ever hope to be.

You know it's true.

 

[Oliver]

True, but she is a governor of Alaska and she is more than you and I will ever hope to be.

You know it's true.

Of course it's true - but who wants to be humiliated like
Sarah Palin in the last view Weeks anyway?

ETA: The criticism and mockery Bush got in 8 years, she received in less than 8 days.

 

[FaisonMars]

Her candidacy is a joke. The Fey skits are so funny in part because they are often based on verbatim comments from Palin... not made up personal attacks or "contempt." As long as Palin stays on the ticket, she's fair game.

Actually, I think that Palin wanting to be on SNL this week has kind of kept the Fey character going... after the mock VP debate skit two weeks ago, it looked like the character was heading for retirement.

 

[FaisonMars]

True, but she is a governor of Alaska and she is more than you and I will ever hope to be.

You know it's true.

She has run a marathon, had 5 kids, and shot wolves from an airplane, none of which I will ever be able to do.

However, I understand and respect science, which seems to be more than she will ever be able to do.

 

[RandFan]

ETA: The criticism and mockery Bush got in 8 years, she received in less than 8 days.

Oh god, I wouldn't want it but most people would give their left arm for that.

 

[RandFan]

Her candidacy is a joke. The Fey skits are so funny in part because they are often based on verbatim comments from Palin... not made up personal attacks or "contempt." As long as Palin stays on the ticket, she's fair game.

I'm talking about Fey's behavior off the set. Her contempt is quite open.

Actually, I think that Palin wanting to be on SNL this week has kind of kept the Fey character going... after the mock VP debate skit two weeks ago, it looked like the character was heading for retirement.

Oh hell no. The ratings are always through the roof. Retirement would simply because Fey doesn't want to do the impersonation. Which in all honesty is dead on and damn funny. I grant you everything you say as to why the skits are good but they are also good because Palin is genuinely liked. It's taken some major negative news as Oliver has pointed out to take the bloom of the rose. Not that Palin doesn't deserve much of the negative press.

 

[RandFan]

She has run a marathon, had 5 kids, and shot wolves from an airplane, none of which I will ever be able to do.

However, I understand and respect science, which seems to be more than she will ever be able to do.

I would take an understanding and respect of science over everything Palin has also. I'm not sure that means much though. I wouldn't say that she will never be able to but it's unlikely she will change which puts her into the shoes of most people.

 

[Oliver]

I would take an understanding and respect of science over everything Palin has also. I'm not sure that means much though. I wouldn't say that she will never be able to but it's unlikely she will change which puts her into the shoes of most people.

Maybe she should think about a career as a singer:

 

[NorfolkAtheist]

I thought the opening skit was funny. Palin wasn't particularly funny, but I give her a lot of credit for going on.

I liked Fey but I don't have a lot of respect for her anymore. For some it's not enough to simply disagree with someone. Fey clearly has nothing but contempt for Palin simply because she disagrees with her politics. It's this kind of hypocracy that turns me off of the left. They claim to be tolerant and accepting of different points of views but it's largely BS.

I don't know much about Fey personally, has she said that she hates Palin or is this just your impression of her feelings based on her acting performance on a sketch-comedy television show? Has she said that she is tolerant of the views that Palin holds? Most of the liberals I know personally do not claim to have unbounded tolerance (e.g. most feel tolerance of intolerance is silly, tolerance of).

I don't care for Palin's religion or her views on abortion and I certainly don't think she's qualified to be VP but I don't see hating someone or having a strong negative emotional feelings toward someone simply for ideological views.

This is your personal opinion and I have no problem with it (although I'm not certain I share it), but I'd like to see evidence for your charge that Fey is being hypocritical for harboring alleged hatred for Palin. Like I said, I don't know much about Fey's personal views so any links to her saying she hates Palin and/or that she is tolerant of the views that Palin holds would be appreciated.

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

True, but she is a governor of Alaska and she is more than you and I will ever hope to be.

You know it's true.

I'm not sure if that was meant as a joke or not, but I utterly disagree if it was meant seriously.

I don't think financial/political success and ambition in any way makes one person "more" than another person.

 

[RandFan]

I don't know much about Fey personally, has she said that she hates Palin or is this just your impression of her feelings based on her acting performance on a sketch-comedy television show?

No. I saw Fey on TV making some disparaging remarks about her.

Has she said that she is tolerant of the views that Palin holds?

I couldn't care less about her tolerance or intolerance of views. Of course, some people use this as a convenient scape goat. Christians are found of saying that they love the sinner but hate the sin. So they are not intolerant of homosexuals they are intolerant of the "lifestyle". It's BS and one can just as easily be intolerant only of Palin's views.

Most of the liberals I know personally do not claim to have unbounded tolerance (e.g. most feel tolerance of intolerance is silly, tolerance of).

See above.

This is your personal opinion and I have no problem with it (although I'm not certain I share it), but I'd like to see evidence for your charge that Fey is being hypocritical for harboring alleged hatred for Palin. Like I said, I don't know much about Fey's personal views so any links to her saying she hates Palin and/or that she is tolerant of the views that Palin holds would be appreciated.

I don't think Fey hates Palin. I think she has contempt for her. She wouldn't sit down and have a drink or conversation with her (as I understand).

I can't find a link at the moment for the remarks Fey made. I honestly thought they were well known. If I do find them I'll post them. Sorry.

 

[RandFan]

I'm not sure if that was meant as a joke or not, but I utterly disagree if it was meant seriously.

I think you need to go back and see the context it was given in. I was responding to Olivers remarks that she was a failure in 3 areas. If we are consistent and follow Olivers premise to it's logical conclusion then most of us are failures.

Happily I don't agree that just because Palin has failed at anything is really proof of anything, and apparently neither do you or Oliver.

 

[NorfolkAtheist]

I couldn't care less about her tolerance or intolerance of views. Of course, some people use this as a convenient scape goat. Christians are found of saying that they love the sinner but hate the sin. So they are not intolerant of homosexuals they are intolerant of the "lifestyle". It's BS.

But it would seem that her tolerances are crucial in establishing hypocrisy. If, for instance, Fey claimed to be intolerant of anti-abortion views and intolerant of Palin for having such views, would Fey be hypocritical? I'd say no.

I can't find a link at the moment for the remarks Fey made. I honestly thought they were well known. If I do find them I'll post them. Sorry.

They might be well known, I don't follow celebrity stuff closely so I could easily miss them. I've seen her skits, but not her interviews. Looking at her wikipedia entry, I see she has said a few times that she doesn't want to, and will not, play Palin beyond Nov. 5th. I don't find it hard to believe that she strongly dislikes Palin, I'm just not yet convinced she's being hypocritical (but I'm prepared to be convinced with the right evidence).

 

[FaisonMars]

Tina Fey was on Leno recently and talked about how she came up with the accent as well as how she started with the actual transcript of the Couric interview to work with the SNL writers on the 2nd skit. It's clear she's not a fan. Which shouldn't be surprising.

But, regardless of what she thinks of Palin, her Palin character is so funny because its a spot-on, classic political caricature. She takes clearly recognizable features of Palin and exaggerates them for humorous effect. And she's really good at it.

 

[RandFan]

But it would seem that her tolerances are crucial in establishing hypocrisy. If, for instance, Fey claimed to be intolerant of anti-abortion views and intolerant of Palin for having such views, would Fey be hypocritical? I'd say no.

Oh, well, that's a breath of honesty. Thank you. Sincerely.

Hmmmm.....

I've always found the left wanting tolerance for different opinions. Am I wrong? The word "divisive" is bandied about by folks on the left a lot of late. The political right is often criticized for polemical rhetoric.

So, I don't want to put words in your mouth. You are saying it is appropriate to dislike people simply for their views? Also, that tolerance for people regardless of their ideology isn't a liberal virtue, right? Do you think this stuff about working together to solve problems is nonsense? Do you have contempt for people simply because that person has views that you disagree with?

Please believe me that I only want to understand your POV. I wasn't expecting your response and I'm wondering if my close associates and friends who are liberal are off or if I just missed the point. It's not beyond me.

 

[Oliver]

She takes clearly recognizable features of Palin and exaggerates them for humorous effect.

Either that or she's actually just trying to copy her one-to-one.

 

[FaisonMars]

I've always found the left wanting tolerance for different opinions. Am I wrong? The word "divisive" is bandied about by folks on the left a lot of late. The political right is often criticized for polemical rhetoric.

I find the comparison between Fox News and NPR quite stark in terms of tolerance of different opinions.

I heard a conservative pundit on the radio today saying that Obama would turn the country into a "campus," in that it would become an excessively "PC" environment, with people "afraid to say what they think for fear of offending someone." I couldn't disagree more with this assessment of the the tenor of discourse on most campuses-- it was in college that I learned about fighting bad speech with more good speech, not with censorship.