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Oxford High School, Michigan, school shooting.

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The first ten posts in this thread have been moved from the "today's mass shooting" thread, as they contain information more suited to this thread.
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Source here. Highlights:

Crumbley is expected to be arraigned Wednesday afternoon.

Oakland County Prosecutor Karen McDonald said more charges could be coming as the investigation progresses.

She said it appears the shooting was not impulsive but did not go into detail.

"There is a mountain of digital evidence," she said. "We are confident it was premeditated."

McDonald added that she is considering charges against Crumbley's parents.
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plague311 said:
When they caught him the gun still had 7 bullets in it. I would assume he switched mags.
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Sheriff updated that a few minutes ago. He shot at least 30 shots from two magazines. He had seven unspent rounds in his pocket, and the police found another magazine at the school that had 11 unspent rounds.

Yesterday, it was said there were still live rounds loaded in the gun, but the Sheriff didn't mention it today, that I caught. (I was listening live, but might have missed a detail or two.)
 
Meadmaker said:
Sheriff updated that a few minutes ago. He shot at least 30 shots from two magazines. He had seven unspent rounds in his pocket, and the police found another magazine at the school that had 11 unspent rounds.

Yesterday, it was said there were still live rounds loaded in the gun, but the Sheriff didn't mention it today, that I caught. (I was listening live, but might have missed a detail or two.)
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So he must have had more than 2 magazines on him at least.
 
Meadmaker said:
They said three, which I believe matched the number of magazines purchased on Black Friday by dad.
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3 extra plus the one that came with it?

If they found one that he didn't use, then the one in the gun had 7 bullets in it, and then he fired 30...is my math right? Is that 4?
 
plague311 said:
3 extra plus the one that came with it?

If they found one that he didn't use, then the one in the gun had 7 bullets in it, and then he fired 30...is my math right? Is that 4?
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I think I must have gotten some detail wrong, or the sheriff misspoke, because what I heard today is that he fired from two magazines, then they found a third magazine that had 11 bullets, plus he had seven bullets in his pocket. The sheriff said he had 18 bullets left, total, which would imply his gun was empty. That contradicted what they said yesterday, so I'm not quite sure of the exact numbers.


Of the things that I find at least somewhat relevant, I can basically say, from listening to the Sheriff today, that he had multiple magazines (either three or four), that he fired from at least 30 shots (sheriff said 30 shell casings recovered from the scene. I think it's a fifteen round magazine), from at least two, or maybe three, magazines.

In other words, he fired a whole bunch of bullets and he at least had the potential to fire more.

He was charged as an adult, so he's going away for a long time, probably life, although they might take pity for his youth, maybe life with parole instead of life without parole. I don't know that sort of detail. Meanwhile, I would expect charges against at least dad, and the prosecutor said they were considering charges against both parents, "swiftly". I'm guessing tomorrow.
 
Meadmaker said:
The school shooting today happened in my neck of the woods. The shooter's father bought the gun four days ago, although there are rumors that several guns were removed from the house when a search warrant was executed.
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My Grandparents moved out to that area from Detroit in the early 70's. One of my younger aunts graduated from Oxford, although she was at the previous building and not the current one.

One of the reasons for moving out there was because it was safer. It also was not considered the suburbs at that time.

Funny how city problems don't stay in the cities.
 
This is a thread for discussing the school shooting yesterday at Oxford High School in Oxford, Michigan. Oxford is a far suburb of Detroit. i.e. it is just at the fringe of suburbia, on the edge of rural.

Four dead. Seven wounded. One shooter.

We have been talking about it in the "Today's Mass Shooting" thread, so I won't rehash everything right away, but it was suggested to start its own thread, so I did.
 
Take time to honour the brave schoolchildren who continue to lay down their lives in defence of the 2nd Amendment.
 
Meadmaker said:
... I would expect charges against at least dad, and the prosecutor said they were considering charges against both parents, "swiftly". I'm guessing tomorrow.
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That should surely make future juvenile shooters think twice before killing anyone.. What kid goes ahead with criminal activity, knowing mom and dad will get in trouble.?
 
Skeptical Greg said:
That should surely make future juvenile shooters think twice before killing anyone.. What kid goes ahead with criminal activity, knowing mom and dad will get in trouble.?
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That is a good point; but on the other hand, one could argue the intent isn't so much to deter future shooters, but rather the parents of potential future shooters. It's been reported - with a lot of caveats about a lack of solid verification - that the shooter in this incident used a weapon his father had just purchased online. It's also been reported that the kid had posted some kind of photos showing off this particular weapon on social media.

If that's all true, and it turns out that after buying the gun the parents never bothered to take responsible steps to make sure it was secure and couldn't be accessed by people who shouldn't be accessing it (like, you know, kids), that kind of decision-making definitely needs to be deterred.
 
Warp12 said:
Why not both?
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Because there is resistance by the American gun-cult to laws that require parents to securely store weapons because this "tramples freedoms"; and there is also resistance to measures to keep guns away from children in general, largely owing to a curious, widespread dogmatic belief that exposure to guns and gun culture magically makes children good and law-abiding people.
 
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