Outcry against the "Passion"

[Ranb]

Here is some of what Assemblyman Dov Hikins, D-New York had to say about the Mell Gibson movie Passion.


"This film is dangerous for Jews all over the world........."

Asked if he had seen the movie, Hikins said he saw a brief clip of it.

The rest of the story is at;
http://www.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/Movies/08/28/passion.protest/index.html

Does anyone NOT think this guy is very stupid? He and others like him saw only a short clip or an out dated script and are crying wolf. How alarmist can one get? Do they really need their 15 minutes of fame on TV that bad?

Ranb

 

[corplinx]

I wonder why the Italian government hasn't come out against the movie for fear Italians might be persecuted for killing Jesus.

There are some jewish activists who are so tightly wound that it is predictable they would act like this.

Loosen Up!

 

[KelvinG]

This reminds me of what happened when "Last Temptation of Christ" came out.
You had all sorts of self-appointed moralists who hadn't actually seen the film, but felt comfortable condeming it (and in many case, recommending that others don't go see it either.)

How about letting people judge for themselves.

 

[American]

There is no outrage, except from people who don't matter. But the producers WANT controversy, even where there is none.

It's a movie. Jesus, Jews, whatever. Big woop, get a life! (not you.. I don't know who I am talking to.)

 

[The Central Scrutinizer]

This really creates a dilemma for intelligent people like me. Normally, when a group of stupid people tell you not to see a film, I run out and see it. However, in this case, there is another group of stupid people on the other side encouraging you to see it.

So what is a smart person to do?

 

[reprise]

This really creates a dilemma for intelligent people like me. Normally, when a group of stupid people tell you not to see a film, I run out and see it. However, in this case, there is another group of stupid people on the other side encouraging you to see it.

So what is a smart person to do?

A smart person would consider the fact that rapturetroll would consider a skeptic voluntarily subjecting themselves to this "work of art" some kind of endorsement of its content.

Personally, I'd refuse to see it until they bring out a version with captions.

 

[The Central Scrutinizer]

A smart person would consider the fact that rapturetroll would consider a skeptic voluntarily subjecting themselves to this "work of art" some kind of endorsement of its content.

Personally, I'd refuse to see it until they bring out a version with captions.

Well, it is my weekend to sort the sock drawer, so I think I will miss it!

 

[Jon_in_london]

Re: Re: Outcry against the "Passion"

I wonder why the Italian government hasn't come out against the movie for fear Italians might be persecuted for killing Jesus.

Mel Gibson? I bet all the baddies have English accents.

 

[Skeptical Greg]

This really creates a dilemma for intelligent people like me. Normally, when a group of stupid people tell you not to see a film, I run out and see it. However, in this case, there is another group of stupid people on the other side encouraging you to see it.

So what is a smart person to do?

I've read the book.. I can't imagine the movie being any better.

I think it would be a total waste of time...

 

[Skeptic]

I think this has more to do with inter-organization politics than with the movie. Once one organization formally concludes the movie is "antisemitic", they ALL have to condemn it, lest they appear to be "soft on antisemitism"--whether they've seen it or not.

To repeat what I said before, it could be that the movie is antisemitic--I haven't seen it--but, then again, it is pretty hard to make a movie based on the gospels that makes the jews look good, for the same reason it's hard to make a movie about the book of Exodus without disappointing the Egyptians.

 

[SteveW]

These guys may have a point. I mean, I wanted to go out and kick a German after seeing Schindler's List - didn't you?

 

[Tmy]

Hollywood has been slandering all sorts of groups for years with stereotypical portrails. Italians as mobsters, black sploitation movies , arabs as terrorsists, asians as the karate experts. Their complaints have always fallen on deaf ears. And those are fictional movies!!! At least this one is historical.

The Germans looked bad in Shindlers List, where's the out cry!!!!!!

 

[Skeptic]

Hollywood has been slandering all sorts of groups for years with stereotypical portrails. Italians as mobsters, black sploitation movies , arabs as terrorsists, asians as the karate experts. Their complaints have always fallen on deaf ears.

So far as I recall, this isn't true. There are (generally speaking) less stereotypes in movies now than there used to be, mostly because people complained. Yes, there were "blacksploitation" movies, but there were still much better than in the past--when blacks appeared in movies, if at all, only as porters or servants. Do you think this happened by accident--or because of black people complaining (and rightly so)?

And those are fictional movies!!! At least this one is historical.

The gospels are only "historical" in a very loose sense. Unless you think, for instance, that the virgin birth thingy, or the flight to Egypt, or the trial of Jesus by the Senhedrin (in the middle of the night! ) are "historical".

The Germans looked bad in Shindlers List, where's the out cry!!!!!!

There isn't any because the Germans did NOT look bad in "Shindler's list". The NAZIS looked bad. Shindler himself is a German, and it is he, the German (NOT the jews! ) was the hero of the film.

In fact, the movie makes it quite clear that many, if not most, of the regular German soldiers--even in the SS--were, to say the least, unenthusiastic about the treatment of the jews ordered by their superiors. There is one scene, for example, of a German sergeant ordered to whip an old jew--and who refuses to do so. There is another scene, of the concentration camp guards near the end of the war, who require very little convincing from Schindler NOT to kill the inmates, as they were ordered; it is clear they are relieved to find an excuse to disobey.

Just about the ONLY people who are enthusiastic about killing or mistreating jews are SS officers, which is not at all the same thing as "making the Germans look bad".

 

[Andonyx]

Speaking as a descendant of the people who "killed christ," I also think the brouhaha is ridiculous. Even if it were the most anti-semetic thing ever made, it's still just a frickin movie. Let it go.

In one sense, I can see the more outspoken Jewish activists freaking a little, because let's admit it...for 6000 years we've had evidence that it really doesn't take much for people to start hating and killing us.

But still, it's a movie, I couldn't care less.