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O'Reilly vs. Letterman

Regnad Kcin said:
"I mean, but isn't this the kind of thing where, like, once or twice every 20 years somebody gets outraged and says, 'Oh, my god, we've got to put diapers on horses'?"

Too bad Dave wasn't prepared to knock Loofah-boy's repeatedly made (and thoroughly debunked) claim regarding the "Silent Night" lyric change. It would've been nice to the hypocrite him squirm.
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I saw that and, frankly, Dave came accross like the worst of closeminded fundamentalists when he said "60 % of what you say is crap" to which Bill asked "how frequently do you watch my show?" to which Dave responded "never".

He was playing the Hollywood line of Fox=Bad. Mindless.
 
Understand, I think Bill is a true ignorant a$$hole sometimes and I think that his Christmas stchik is just that but the idea that it is PC to simply say "Bill you are a jerk" and get applause is pretty sad.

I note that Bill got applause when he said "no one will ever say that people who kill women and children freedom fighters on my show".

I think Dave was way off the beam on the Sheehan thing.
 
Ed said:
Understand, I think Bill is a true ignorant a$$hole sometimes and I think that his Christmas stchik is just that but the idea that it is PC to simply say "Bill you are a jerk" and get applause is pretty sad.
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"Bill you are a jerk" is the PC thing to say? Seems sort of the opposite, to me.
 
Having watched this buffoon on Fox News a few times, usually for a laugh, I feel strongly that he has a bad case of foot-in-mouth disease.

M.
 
Regnad Kcin said:
Agreed. Dave did the pro-reason & factually-based forces no favors.
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Dude it was a comedian talk show host with a loud mouth guest in the chair. It wasn't Lincoln/Douglas.

And Letterman said he had a "feeling" that 60% was crap, which is a figure I would probably ascertain myself after an 8 minute segment with the man.
 
Ed said:
Understand, I think Bill is a true ignorant a$$hole sometimes and I think that his Christmas stchik is just that but the idea that it is PC to simply say "Bill you are a jerk" and get applause is pretty sad.
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Is it wrong?

O'REILLY: Our analysis is based on the best evidence we can get.
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That's sad.
 
Ed said:
I saw that and, frankly, Dave came accross like the worst of closeminded fundamentalists when he said "60 % of what you say is crap" to which Bill asked "how frequently do you watch my show?" to which Dave responded "never".

He was playing the Hollywood line of Fox=Bad. Mindless.
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yeah, but as an entertainment show, it was entertaining to see a big jerk like o'reilly get his head handed to him.

whatever your political leanings, you can be a nice guy or a jerk. o'reilly is a jerk.
 
I didn't see it live but I was surprised when I saw replays of some of the segment. I think Dave blew it. First of all Dave isn't known as a guy that does political stuff and so it's perceived as a hijacking. I don't watch Dave every night but I can't recall seeing get anywhere near as political as he did with O'Reilly.

But if he had to get political he should've at least done a little preparation. He came across as someone that blindly dislikes O'Reilly and can't come up with a reason because there is no reason, which is exactly what O'Reilly wants to paint the people as that dislike him. Usually he just does it on his show where he's allowed to control every detal but now that Dave did that to him O'Reilly is now going to be able to say "See? I told you. And that was just Letterman, who isn't all that political, so imagine what the rest are like." O'Reilly literally couldn't have bought better publicity.

Part of the reason O'Reilly is successful is that he's good at manipulating public opinion but another part of the reason is that his opponents engage him very stupidly. First there was the ACLU, whiich takes the approach of repeatedly letting O'Reilly say absoultely anything about them followed with the statement "We invited the ACLU to appear on the show but they declined" and now there's Letterman coming off like a guy that doesn't know anything but hates O'Reilly for the heck of it. With enemies like that O'Reilly doesn't need friends.
 
I agree that Letterman didn't really have a strong intellectual position, but I'll be damned if I didn't delight at a shocked and tongue-tied O'Reilly. When Letterman said he had the impression that 60% of what O'Reilly says is crap, the old windbag didn't even have a response.
 
chulbert said:
I agree that Letterman didn't really have a strong intellectual position, but I'll be damned if I didn't delight at a shocked and tongue-tied O'Reilly. When Letterman said he had the impression that 60% of what O'Reilly says is crap, the old windbag didn't even have a response.
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he asked how much Dave watched. Dave said he didn't.

Frankly, dave came across like a petulant kid. I agree that Bill won whatever there was to win.
 
chulbert said:
I agree that Letterman didn't really have a strong intellectual position, but I'll be damned if I didn't delight at a shocked and tongue-tied O'Reilly. When Letterman said he had the impression that 60% of what O'Reilly says is crap, the old windbag didn't even have a response.
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O'Reilly had the perfect response. He asked Dave if he watched the show and Dave said no, which made O'Reilly look great and Dave looked awful. It would've been different if Dave had responded to "Do you watch the show?" with something like "Not since I realized that 60% of what you say is crap." Then O'Reilly might've asked what was the crap that he said back when Dave was watching and Dave could've said that it's been awhile and he doesn't remember the details but that he recalls it being crap. Dave messed up IMO.

Say what you want about O'Reilly but one thing for sure is he is verbally sharp and getting into a public debate with him like that when you're not prepared is just plain dumb.
 
Regnad Kcin said:
"I mean, but isn't this the kind of thing where, like, once or twice every 20 years somebody gets outraged and says, 'Oh, my god, we've got to put diapers on horses'?"

Too bad Dave wasn't prepared to knock Loofah-boy's repeatedly made (and thoroughly debunked) claim regarding the "Silent Night" lyric change. It would've been nice to watch the hypocrite squirm.
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Arguing with O'Reilly is like arguing with a drunk. They'll say anything to win their point. They changed the lyrics to Silent Night for god's sake! Abramoff gave as much to Democrats as to Republicans! etc.

Amazing that anyone pays attention to him.
 
Ed said:
he asked how much Dave watched. Dave said he didn't.

Frankly, dave came across like a petulant kid. I agree that Bill won whatever there was to win.
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O'Reilly didn't immediately respond. I don't think he followed up with "You're entitled to your opinion, I'm entitled to mine" for at least 10 seconds.

For O'Reilly, 10 seconds is "speechless". :)
 
Why is this being examined as though it were an important political face-off? It was a late night talk show appearance. And I don't think either man behaved out of the ordinary. There is no winner or loser.

Did Letterman say that he "has a feeling that 60% of what Bill says on the Factor is crap"? Or did he say that he "has a feeling that 60% of what Bill says" is crap?

Letterman admittedly does not watch Bill's show. Letterman is probably very well informed, especially on matters of importance, but he's never been remotely political in his public or professional life.

Bill, who fancies himself very political, before he even sits down, begins with the Christmas stuff, which Letterman rightfully sees as silly. Bill proceeds to spout a number of incidences that all sound a little fishy to Letterman, though Letterman can't refute them outright, because to him it's a non-issue and he has not looked into it in the least.

They then discuss Bush and Sheehan, and Bill uses the fact that Sheehan called insurgents freedom fighter (which strictly speaking they are, they just happen to be fighting for freedom from Americans) to get some cheap applause.

Letterman, preferring jokes and laughter for his show to half-baked rhetoric and warmed over spin, recognizes this further helping of BS and says (most likely based solely on what he's gathered from Bill's short visit) "I have a feeling that 60% of what you say is crap".

Both men were served for an entertaining talk show apearance, and that's it.
 
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