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28th Kingdom,
You complain about people not answering simple questions. Well I have one for you.

Can you please show a working device that uses thermi/ate to cut vertical columns?

Please do not go into the NIST FAQ, that says nothing about cutting vertical beams.
 
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Yes, 28th Kingdom, please either provide firm evidence of this or withdraw your claim that thermite is capable of cutting vertical girders the size of those used to support the WTC.
 
einsteen said:
I copy pasted the below from a weapons forum:

According to the patents, and the video, the reaction (and cutting) is done in a fraction of a second.

You'll also notice the lack of noise in the video,

http://www.spectreenterprises.net/Video/LargeTorch.swf

just a hiss and the clang of the falling rebar.
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The request is for something that cuts vertical steel columns not rebar.

Please stay on topic.
 
einsteen said:
I copy pasted the below from a weapons forum:

According to the patents, and the video, the reaction (and cutting) is done in a fraction of a second.

You'll also notice the lack of noise in the video,http://www.spectreenterprises.net/Video/LargeTorch.swf just a hiss and the clang of the falling rebar.
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Okay, so it can cut vertical stuff. That's all right, but not really what we asked for.

Now, we need to see evidence that this device is capable of cutting the large support girders on the WTC. A little piece of rebar is neat and all, and we did discover some patents for the thermite cutting devices, but there is a big scale issue here. A piece of rebar is not a supporting column.

So, could you please now provide some evidence that the above thermite cutting device can cut through a large piece of supporting column at all.

Please note that the supporting columns were considerably thicker than the rebar in that video, although it is cool looking.
 
Einstein, god bless you for making these fools...look even more foolish. I know that was a virtual impossibility...but you've done it.

The thickness on the steel columns in the WTC, isn't what you think. They were hollow and according to this page....each side was only 2" thick:

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/arch/core.html
 
@Spin. Even NIST is looking at the hypothesis (for wtc7 of course, because there was no plane). This was just a fast find of course, but I don't care about size and scale, in principle it is possible.

But to be honest I think if you need to prove that fire cuts wtc7 columns you even have a bigger problem if you want a strict scientific proof. Don't you think so ?


Hoop hoop NIST
 
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28th Kingdom said:
Einstein, god bless you for making these fools...look even more foolish. I know that was a virtual impossibility...but you've done it.

The thickness on the steel columns in the WTC, isn't what you think. They were hollow and according to this page....each side was only 2" thick:

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/arch/core.html
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oh
my
god

you had to look it up to discover that the columns were not solid steel?

:eek:
 
28th Kingdom said:
The thickness on the steel columns in the WTC, isn't what you think. They were hollow and according to this page....each side was only 2" thick:
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So you should have no problem posting evidence that such a device exists, and that hundreds of them were deployed in the twin towers. Also, not destroyed or disabled by the plane crash and resulting fires.

Any specs on the max thickness of steel that the thermite torch can cut?

The column design is not the same as a small piece of rebar. Such a cutting device would have to cut all along the length of the column on all four sides to produce the kind of effect shown in the rebar video.

You still haven't dealt with the scale issues, or the providing evidence issue.
 
28th Kingdom said:
Einstein, god bless you for making these fools...look even more foolish. I know that was a virtual impossibility...but you've done it.

The thickness on the steel columns in the WTC, isn't what you think. They were hollow and according to this page....each side was only 2" thick:

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/arch/core.html
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And 36" wide and 12" deep.

Once again:

Can you please show a working device that uses thermi/ate to cut vertical columns?

Not something cutting rebar.
 
einsteen said:
@Spin. Even NIST is looking at the hypothesis (for wtc7 of course, because there was no plane). This was just a fast find of course, but I don't care about size and scale, in principle it is possible.
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Evidence for all these claims, please.

You might not care about size and scale, but the real world has a funny way of making those things matter. Just because you can find proof of a small device that can easily cut a small piece of rebar, it doesn't follow that there is some huge device that can easily cut a steel column.
 
einsteen said:
@Spin. Even NIST is looking at the hypothesis (for wtc7 of course, because there was no plane). This was just a fast find of course, but I don't care about size and scale, in principle it is possible.

But to be honest I think if you need to prove that fire cuts wtc7 columns you even have a bigger problem if you want a strict scientific proof. Don't you think so ?


Hoop hoop NIST
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Irrelevant even if it was true.

I'm not asking for anything but a demonstration that THERMI/ATE can cut vertical steel columns. Anything beyond that is for another thread.
 
28th Kingdom said:
Einstein, god bless you for making these fools...look even more foolish. I know that was a virtual impossibility...but you've done it.

The thickness on the steel columns in the WTC, isn't what you think. They were hollow and according to this page....each side was only 2" thick:

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/arch/core.html
Click to expand...

Except where they were 7" thick, or flange as opposed to box.

Apart from those minor details you're really cookin' here.
 
28th Kingdom said:
Einstein, god bless you for making these fools...look even more foolish. I know that was a virtual impossibility...but you've done it.
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O. M. G.

what einstein posted was not what we asked for. He just showed a device, that doesn't even use Thermi/ate.
 
Spindrift said:
And 36" wide and 12" deep.

Once again:

Can you please show a working device that uses thermi/ate to cut vertical columns?

Not something cutting rebar.
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I didn't think that even PDoughy28 would be dumb enough to compare stock rebar to this baby.

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/arch/docs/corebase1.jpg



corebase1.jpg
 
Arus808 said:
what einstein posted was not what we asked for. He just showed a device, that doesn't even use Thermi/ate.
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Well, it might use thermite. The company that hosts the video, Spectre Enterprises, holds this patent for a thermite-based cutting torch.

It still doesn't prove it could or did cut the columns, but at least it does in fact use thermite. I guess that's something.
 
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