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Oakland rules on pot

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You gotta love the Bay Area :D

So what are people's thoughts on drug law reform? For? Against? Indifferent?

Oakland rules on pot
SAN FRANCISCO
July 22, 2010

California could be a step towards confirming itself as a rival to Amsterdam when Oakland city council votes on setting up and licensing four major marijuana factories.

Marijuana would be mass produced, packaged and distributed from the centres. As well as cannabis for medical purposes, the factories would make body oil and baked goods.

The cash-strapped council is keen to approve the plan to generate cash in permit fees and taxes. The plan has been agreed to in principle.

If Oakland goes ahead, it will be the first place in the US to license such premises. California allows marijuana use for medicinal purposes, but will vote in November on making it legal for recreational use.
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Just legalize pot and tax it like every other sale. End to this idiocy and a great new revenue stream.
 
bit_pattern said:
You gotta love the Bay Area :D

So what are people's thoughts on drug law reform? For? Against? Indifferent?
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I'm for legalization, but this is stupid. A $211,000 annual permit fee?

They're just trying to cut open the Golden Goose to take all her eggs.

It's always been my contention that the government will tax legal marijuana to death, and this is a great example. They're counting on a revenue stream that simply isn't there, as 99% of the street cost of marijuana is the premium that comes with illegality.
 
bit_pattern said:
Marijuana in Amsterdam is sold at a comparable rate to America iirc
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Marijuana is illegal in Amsterdam. It all comes from criminal black market sources, thus the high price.
 
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Where would police departments get the funds to militarize? They wouldn't be able to afford the ultra cool looking SWAT uniforms. Nothing says "protect and serve" as loudly as a balaclava!

And where would police departments ever get the money for armored personnel carriers if drugs were legalized?
 
bit_pattern said:
Marijuana in Amsterdam is sold at a comparable rate to America iirc
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depends on what part of America.

My guess is that it's probably comparable with California's prices.

However, in Massachusetts, it's far more expensive for high quality stuff that would be even slightly comparable to Amsterdam's quality of weed.
 
Every time we get close in AZ, the pro legalization folks pull up this medical marajuana nonsense, at the same time as attacking tobacco and alcohol allies, and they lose every time.

We'd pass legalization of pot in an instant if the bill sponsors would stop treating us like idiots
 
pipelineaudio said:
Every time we get close in AZ, the pro legalization folks pull up this medical marajuana nonsense, at the same time as attacking tobacco and alcohol allies, and they lose every time.

We'd pass legalization of pot in an instant if the bill sponsors would stop treating us like idiots
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Absolutely!

Except for the fact that medical marijuana is not considered nonsense. Unless you think those cancer patients in their 70s in Cali are just wanting to get a hit, even if it has to be blown into their lungs for them.

And that we have rarely if ever, "gotten close" in AZ. Not if you mean legalizing smoking weed. Medical marijuana has passed every time it has come to a vote, only to be overturned or invalidated later
 
WildCat said:
I'm for legalization, but this is stupid. A $211,000 annual permit fee?

They're just trying to cut open the Golden Goose to take all her eggs.

It's always been my contention that the government will tax legal marijuana to death, and this is a great example. They're counting on a revenue stream that simply isn't there, as 99% of the street cost of marijuana is the premium that comes with illegality.
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It seems the test the waters but they will not take the dive. You would think these politicians would realize that the price has to be reasonable to eliminate OR effectively reduce the black market. Otherwise the legislation passing is of marginal significance if practically noone could buy it. Legally that is. ;)
 
Ausmerican said:
Absolutely!

Except for the fact that medical marijuana is not considered nonsense. Unless you think those cancer patients in their 70s in Cali are just wanting to get a hit, even if it has to be blown into their lungs for them.

And that we have rarely if ever, "gotten close" in AZ. Not if you mean legalizing smoking weed. Medical marijuana has passed every time it has come to a vote, only to be overturned or invalidated later
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If you've been watching in AZ, you know whos pushing these bills, and if even 1% had any actual medicinal need for marijuana I'd be surprised. I don't know anyone, even in conservative wickenburg who wants to spend a single penny keeping pot out of the state or out of the hands of consenting adults. I do however know many who don't appreciate a snowjob.
 
WildCat said:
Marijuana is illegal in Amsterdam. It all comes from criminal black market sources, thus the high price.
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No it doesn't, it comes from businesses working in as close as you can get to a free market. In California it is virtually legal and operating in a competitive, open market, there is nothing to suggest that, aside from normal efficiency gains, that marijuana would become significantly cheaper than it is now once fully legal. and, like with any similar substance people are going to be prepared to pay 10% or 15% extra for the convenience of not having to grow/brew/distill their DOC. I really can't see why a similar tax regime that currently applies to alcohol can't be used for pot.
 
bit_pattern said:
No it doesn't, it comes from businesses working in as close as you can get to a free market. In California it is virtually legal and operating in a competitive, open market, there is nothing to suggest that, aside from normal efficiency gains, that marijuana would become significantly cheaper than it is now once fully legal. and, like with any similar substance people are going to be prepared to pay 10% or 15% extra for the convenience of not having to grow/brew/distill their DOC. I really can't see why a similar tax regime that currently applies to alcohol can't be used for pot.
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Do we really want to slap a heavy "sin tax" on marijuana used by a cancer patient to lessen the side effects of chemotherapy?
 
Kestrel said:
Do we really want to slap a heavy "sin tax" on marijuana used by a cancer patient to lessen the side effects of chemotherapy?
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Terminally ill and cancer treament patients can be given a tax exempt status card. Similar to how terminally ill or non-mobile patients can have others acquire their medical pot for them even though in general that is not allowed. I think it might be possible to completely subsidize medical marijuana for that small class of people to the point of not charging them at all by appropriating a portion of the tax revenue gained to that purpose. Yes, I feel the number of recreational pot smokers really does dwarf the number of terminally ill and extreme treatment patients.

There are often tax exemptions for the unfortunate, why must it be assumed it is impossible or even difficult to take the usual stance with marijuana taxes?
 
The Fallen Serpent said:
Terminally ill and cancer treament patients can be given a tax exempt status card. Similar to how terminally ill or non-mobile patients can have others acquire their medical pot for them even though in general that is not allowed. I think it might be possible to completely subsidize medical marijuana for that small class of people to the point of not charging them at all by appropriating a portion of the tax revenue gained to that purpose. Yes, I feel the number of recreational pot smokers really does dwarf the number of terminally ill and extreme treatment patients.

There are often tax exemptions for the unfortunate, why must it be assumed it is impossible or even difficult to take the usual stance with marijuana taxes?
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The assumption that medical pot users really just want to get stoned is rather widespread. Therefore, high fees and heavy taxes are justified.

Does California slap a $200,000 annual licensing fee on factories producing any other kind of prescription drug?
 
WildCat said:
I'm for legalization, but this is stupid. A $211,000 annual permit fee?

They're just trying to cut open the Golden Goose to take all her eggs.

It's always been my contention that the government will tax legal marijuana to death, and this is a great example. They're counting on a revenue stream that simply isn't there, as 99% of the street cost of marijuana is the premium that comes with illegality.
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Sure but the street cost has established what people will pay for it, why would they want prices to go down?
 
pipelineaudio said:
Every time we get close in AZ, the pro legalization folks pull up this medical marajuana nonsense, at the same time as attacking tobacco and alcohol allies, and they lose every time.

We'd pass legalization of pot in an instant if the bill sponsors would stop treating us like idiots
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After all we still need these laws to keep the mexicans in line damn it.
 
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