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No More Secrets

Right out the gate, he speaks of storing information in a magnetic field. I am skeptical.
 
computer harddrives are submerged in the Earth's magnetic fields. Let's just store the information there!

Can someone correct my thinking? The Earth's magnetic field is a force, not energy. You can't say that there is the same amount of energy in the field as in all of our brains.

paiute said:
Here's a Big Idea: Prove that ESP actually exists before wasting my time lecturing to me about how it works.
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Oh, well, yes, there is that too. Next up, a lecture on how vampires actually turn into bats.
 
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Well... I checked it out .. and it doesn't hold water... or information.

1. As a researcher, Michael Persinger has a fairly poor track record, with none of his experiments being replicated by anyone so far.

2. None of his claims have a verifiable mechanism. In fact, in his presentation, he presents a number of claims that run counter to what is understood in basic physics.

3. He makes one statement (at least) that is easily proven to be an outright lie. He states that the psychic Sean Harribance is the one that informed the US army as to where Saddam Hussein was hiding. That is an obvious and stupid lie.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=98174979

All in all, my impression is that Michael Persinger is neither stupid nor crazy but in fact an accomplished liar. He covers his lecture with pseudo scientific jargon, often in fields he has no expertise in, and peppers it with unverifiable personal accounts.

In sum... a fraud.
 
Careyp74 said:
computer harddrives are submerged in the Earth's magnetic fields. Let's just store the information there!

Can someone correct my thinking? The Earth's magnetic field is a force, not energy. You can't say that there is the same amount of energy in the field as in all of our brains.



Oh, well, yes, there is that too. Next up, a lecture on how vampires actually turn into bats.
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Technically correct though it is a force (vector) at every point and thus a vector field. Magnetic fields can store energy and different field configurations can have less or more energy than others. That’s why a compass needle rotates to point north, it’s the lowest energy configuration of the magnetic fields. The energy to rotate the needle comes from the higher energy configuration where it is not pointing north. So while one could certainly say “there is the same amount of energy in the field as in all of our brains” one would still have to wonder how the total energy of the magnetic field was calculated, how the total energy “in all our brains" was calculated and then what was the point of going trough all that except just to say “there is the same amount of energy in the field as in all of our brains”.
 
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I've seen videos of people moving a mouse cursor using a helmet that scans brain activity. So maybe if the signals going through the wires can be reversed into a field generator on another person's head, then some kind of information transfer may be possible, then perhaps it could be perfected and made wireless, but it seems like a lot of work to go through when we've already got cell phones. Although, I'm sure people like Hawking or other disabled people would find it very useful, and at least Persinger is making an effort using controlled conditions and technology. I hope he perfects his system so that we can see some really definitive results rather than these seemingly vague and inconclusive ones. I have seen other videos where he experiments with magnetic fields around a person's head and can cause various hallucinations and emotional states. I also think those experiments would be fairly easy to duplicate. On the basic question: Is there ESP? I tend to think so. How does it work? I dunno ... maybe Persinger will figure it out. Recalling information from other people stored in the Earth's magnetic field? That seems like a major stretch. Information can be stored magnetically in a fixed state on a stable medium, but Earth's magnetic field seems too unstable for that kind of storage.
 
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ufology said:
I've seen videos of people moving a mouse cursor using a helmet that scans brain activity. So maybe if the signals going through the wires can be reversed into a field generator on another person's head, then some kind of information transfer may be possible, then perhaps it could be perfected and made wireless, but it seems like a lot of work to go through when we've already got cell phones. Although, I'm sure people like Hawking or other disabled people would find it very useful, and at least Persinger is making an effort using controlled conditions and technology. I hope he perfects his system so that we can see some really definitive results rather than these seemingly vague and inconclusive ones. I have seen other videos where he experiments with magnetic fields around a person's head and can cause various hallucinations and emotional states. I also think those experiments would be fairly easy to duplicate. On the basic question: Is there ESP? I tend to think so. How does it work? I dunno ... maybe Persinger will figure it out. Recalling information from other people stored in the Earth's magnetic field? That seems like a major stretch. Information can be stored magnetically in a fixed state on a stable medium, but Earth's magnetic field seems too unstable for that kind of storage.
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Then there is certainly no ESP.
 
ufology said:
I've seen videos of people moving a mouse cursor using a helmet that scans brain activity. So maybe if the signals going through the wires can be reversed into a field generator on another person's head, then some kind of information transfer may be possible, then perhaps it could be perfected and made wireless, but it seems like a lot of work to go through when we've already got cell phones. Although, I'm sure people like Hawking or other disabled people would find it very useful, and at least Persinger is making an effort using controlled conditions and technology. I hope he perfects his system so that we can see some really definitive results rather than these seemingly vague and inconclusive ones. I have seen other videos where he experiments with magnetic fields around a person's head and can cause various hallucinations and emotional states. I also think those experiments would be fairly easy to duplicate. On the basic question: Is there ESP? I tend to think so. How does it work? I dunno ... maybe Persinger will figure it out. Recalling information from other people stored in the Earth's magnetic field? That seems like a major stretch. Information can be stored magnetically in a fixed state on a stable medium, but Earth's magnetic field seems too unstable for that kind of storage.
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Transfers of information between one person to another occur trillions of times a day all across the planet using no helmets or ESP at all.
Through spoken or written language, simple gestures, touch or odors and that is not confined to only humans either.

ESP does not exist because there is no need for it.

If we need to know what lies beyond the bend in the road before we reach it we simply ask those coming in the opposite direction.

Seeing into tomorrow on the other hand is something that simply isn't needed. Some would argue that being able to use precognitive powers to win the lottery is a need but it isn't.
 
ufology said:
I've seen videos of people moving a mouse cursor using a helmet that scans brain activity. So maybe if the signals going through the wires can be reversed into a field generator on another person's head, then some kind of information transfer may be possible, then perhaps it could be perfected and made wireless, but it seems like a lot of work to go through when we've already got cell phones. Although, I'm sure people like Hawking or other disabled people would find it very useful, and at least Persinger is making an effort using controlled conditions and technology. I hope he perfects his system so that we can see some really definitive results rather than these seemingly vague and inconclusive ones. I have seen other videos where he experiments with magnetic fields around a person's head and can cause various hallucinations and emotional states. I also think those experiments would be fairly easy to duplicate. On the basic question: Is there ESP? I tend to think so. How does it work? I dunno ... maybe Persinger will figure it out. Recalling information from other people stored in the Earth's magnetic field? That seems like a major stretch. Information can be stored magnetically in a fixed state on a stable medium, but Earth's magnetic field seems too unstable for that kind of storage.
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Bain-computer interfaces have come a long way but still have a long way to go. One of the problems is that the brain is far more complex than when such ideas or ‘reading thoughts’ were originally envisioned. However the brains own flexibility and plasticity has become the work around. Unfortunately this requires cooperative training and maintaining usage as that very flexibility is its own draw back. Just as the brain will adjust to utilizing the interface it will adjust to not using it as well as deviating from the previously recorded data used to interpolate signals.

The ‘reverse’ trans-cranial magnetic stimulation is even far less well developed, though it currently has some therapeutic uses.

“Recalling information from other people stored in the Earth's magnetic field?” Not just a stretch but stretched, broken and laying in pieces on the floor. The Earth’s magnetosphere is dominated by the push of the solar wind and the generating actions of the Earths Geodynamo.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth's_magnetic_field

Check out this animation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Animati3.gif
 
The Man said:
Technically correct though it is a force at every point and thus a vector field
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The Force is what gives a Jedi his power. It's an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us and penetrates us. It binds the galaxy together.”
:D
 
ufology said:
I've seen videos maybe some kind may be possible, perhaps I hope seemingly vague and inconclusive I have seen videos hallucinations emotional I dunno maybe a major stretch. too unstable
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ok, got it
thanks
:p
 
Limbo said:
Big Ideas: Michael Persinger on No More Secrets

Big Ideas presents Michael Persinger, winner of the 2007 Best Lecturer Competition, on Just Suppose You Could Know What Others Are Thinking: No More Secrets

This is a very good lecture about *gasp* ESP and I heard you guys like lectures so here you go, watch and discuss.
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I'm not too keen on posters that start "Well, what do you thing of this?" threads but don't have the guts to give their own opinions on the topic, because if people support it the Original Poster is already at the front of the parade, and if it goes bad, the Original Poster can say "I didn't say I supported the idea-I was just putting it out there for discussion".

So, Limbo-What is your opinion of his theories?
edited to add-And "I find them (or him) interesting" will not be acceptable. People found Hitler "interesting", whether they supported him or hated him.
 
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Credible? He's also a fan of psychic actress Noreen Renier. That added mistake compounds things enough to establish a true failure.
 
EHocking said:
The hilite pretty much sums up the "science" of ESP...
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This pretty much sums up all of the lectures you see on the paranormal.

1. Okay, just go with me here, just suppose i am right.

2. Now that you are doing that, here is my evidence.

3. Now, you think i am right, and you have seen my evidence, therefore i am right.

And you just want to say , " No, you wally, i gave you the courtesy of listening to the drivel. And now that you are done excreting it, i am running over it with the nit-comb of skepticism, and finding way too many bugs. "
 
Czarcasm said:
I'm not too keen on posters that start "Well, what do you thing of this?" threads but don't have the guts to give their own opinions on the topic, because if people support it the Original Poster is already at the front of the parade, and if it goes bad, the Original Poster can say "I didn't say I supported the idea-I was just putting it out there for discussion".

So, Limbo-What is your opinion of his theories?
edited to add-And "I find them (or him) interesting" will not be acceptable. People found Hitler "interesting", whether they supported him or hated him.
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I hate this line of attack as well. It is reminiscent of the lazy parenting strategy in which one parent always says the other wanted to talk to the child about something, thereby making a buffer zone of criticism, " Well i know billy, but it isn't me that wants you to clean your room its mom, and we know how she gets."

It is a lazy tactic in debate, and almost screams " I know this has problems , but i am just hoping you won't notice. And if you do, i want to have an out, as to why i am promoting such tripe. "
 
sadhatter said:
This pretty much sums up all of the lectures you see on the paranormal.

1. Okay, just go with me here, just suppose i am right.

2. Now that you are doing that, here is my evidence.

3. Now, you think i am right, and you have seen my evidence, therefore i am right.

And you just want to say , " No, you wally, i gave you the courtesy of listening to the drivel. And now that you are done excreting it, i am running over it with the nit-comb of skepticism, and finding way too many bugs. "
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I have noticed that happens a lot with researchers I mean Authors of the paranormal.
 
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