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No End In Sight...

Upchurch said:
Aw, crud. Just when I was starting to feel good about the Iraq War.


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In other news, President Bush apparently made comments yesterday (or maybe one of his spokesmen did) about a two year plan for withdrawal, a plan originallyl ginned up by the Ambassador and General Patreus.

Here is a link to the Philly Inquirer article from an AP report.

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/n...__plan_sees_surge_lasting_into_summer_08.html

A snippet:

The Article linked above said:
Although the revised plan foresees establishing security at the local level in Baghdad and elsewhere by next summer, it probably would take another year to get Iraqi forces ready to enforce any newfound stability, U.S. officials said.

A number of U.S. generals who are commanding troops in separate regions in Iraq have said in recent days that they expect enough improvement in their areas to begin cutting U.S. troops before that - one said August, another said January. But the United States may want to shift those thousands of troops to areas of Iraq that are in worse condition.

The new Joint Campaign Plan was developed by Gen. David Petraeus and his political counterpart in Baghdad, Ambassador Ryan Crocker. They are to testify before Congress in September on how the current strategy is working and whether it needs revision.
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Does this sound familiar to anyone who used to hear "Vietnamization" arguments?

DR
 
Darth Rotor said:
....Does this sound familiar to anyone who used to hear "Vietnamization" arguments?
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Yup. All I'm waiting for is the Grand Idea about how it's all going to be done with "honor".

Stilll waiting on Bush, Brown of FEMA, and BAC, to explain how it's all the fault of the Democrats.

BTW, do you know Sweden has so far accepted and intaken MANY more --- by two orders of magnitude -- Iraqi refugees than the USA following Iraq2?

And Denmark has so far accepted and intaken roughly 3 and a half times as many as the USA.
 
At least we'll be able to unload a bunch of Chevy SUVs over there without too much hassle:

 
Has anyone noticed a few weeks ago they started running around saying that, historically, post-invasion insurgencies took about 9-10 years to quell?

Nice to know, if true. Too bad nobody was bleating that five years ago as a possible outcome.
 
Gurdur said:
Yup. All I'm waiting for is the Grand Idea about how it's all going to be done with "honor".

Stilll waiting on Bush, Brown of FEMA, and BAC, to explain how it's all the fault of the Democrats.

BTW, do you know Sweden has so far accepted and intaken MANY more --- by two orders of magnitude -- Iraqi refugees than the USA following Iraq2?

And Denmark has so far accepted and intaken roughly 3 and a half times as many as the USA.
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Look at a map. Consider distance as a variable.

See also here: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/24/w...40abe3aaa005a8&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

A snippet.

State Department officials said they were working with Congress and the Homeland Security Department to accelerate the processing of immigrant visas and grant refugee status to the American Embassy’s local employees in Iraq. As first reported Sunday in The Washington Post, Ryan C. Crocker, the United States ambassador to Iraq, sent a cable to Washington on July 9 pressing the administration to issue immigrant visas to all Iraqis employed by the American government.
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Consider how DHS views displaced persons from various Middle Eastern and specifically Muslim countries.

No surprise, really. What puzzles me is the "Rabidly Christian" GW Bush has not pressed for the Chaldean Christians in Iraq to get special immigrant status. Well, it doesn't really uzzle me, but it ought to be a matter of concern for his handlers, and advisors, who pander to the Christian Right.

DR
 
Beerina said:
Has anyone noticed a few weeks ago they started running around saying that, historically, post-invasion insurgencies took about 9-10 years to quell?
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I believe that's called "making excuses." I'm sure we'll be hearing it a lot more as the various talk-radio outlets begin repeating and rehashing the new talking point.
 
Darth Rotor said:
...No surprise, really. What puzzles me is the "Rabidly Christian" GW Bush has not pressed for the Chaldean Christians in Iraq to get special immigrant status. Well, it doesn't really puzzle me, but it ought to be a matter of concern for his handlers, and advisors, who pander to the Christian Right.
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Indeedy. They are all fleeing to Syria.

In Sydney, Australia, there is a very large (@ 10,000) very very quiet community of Assyrian Christians who fled from Syria decades ago; makes it ironic the Chaldeans (almost the same as the "Assyrians") are now fleeing to Syria from Iraq.

Everything is relative, especially refuge.
 
Gurdur said:
BTW, do you know Sweden has so far accepted and intaken MANY more --- by two orders of magnitude -- Iraqi refugees than the USA following Iraq2?

And Denmark has so far accepted and intaken roughly 3 and a half times as many as the USA.
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Darth Rotor said:
Look at a map. Consider distance as a variable.


DR
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Considered. Still out of whack. Refugees are a part of the cost of a war. We started this one and we should be willing to pay the price.

Daredelvis
 
Gurdur said:
Indeedy. They are all fleeing to Syria.

In Sydney, Australia, there is a very large (@ 10,000) very very quiet community of Assyrian Christians who fled from Syria decades ago; makes it ironic the Chaldeans (almost the same as the "Assyrians") are now fleeing to Syria from Iraq.

Everything is relative, especially refuge.
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I had a friend, computer programmer, who was born in Syria but raised in the US. He attends a small Syriac Christian Church, and man, you want to talk about "old school" when it comes to Christian Churches? Heh, the Pope is a piker, compared to these guys. I recall him pointing me toward the a large Syriac Christian community in Australia when we talked about it.

Same group, or different?

Memory fuzzy. He mentioned a Saint Afram (Saint Ephraim??) as a major founder or symbol of his church.

DR
 
Gurdur said:
Stilll waiting on Bush, Brown of FEMA, and BAC, to explain how it's all the fault of the Democrats.
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I just noticed this ...

I guess Gurdur is really mad at me. So he's started a little personal war.

Guess I really got under his skin in our first debate at JREF. Here:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86962&page=3

He didn't like having his *expertise* on Vietnam questioned.

He didn't like my proving he was wrong about ... well, let's see ...

- Cronkite and the media's behavior reporting the war

- about what happened in Tet (we won, they lost)

- about the strategy proposed by Westmoreland to end the war immediately after Tet

- about our bombing campaign in the North (dike bombing and Linebacker's targets)

- about democRATS being responsible for abandoning the South (and the subsequent mass murders)

- about what Clauswitz and Sun Tzu really believe regarding war

- about which countries North Vietnam invaded

- about North Vietnam's actions in Cambodia

- about why we were fighting in Vietnam

- about the form of government we have

All that in our very first meeting ...

ROTFLOL!
 
BeAChooser said:
I just noticed this ...

I guess Gurdur is really mad at me. So he's started a little personal war.

Guess I really got under his skin in our first debate at JREF. Here:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86962&page=3

He didn't like having his *expertise* on Vietnam questioned.

He didn't like my proving he was wrong about ...

ROTFLOL!
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BAC, why are you dragging that argument into this thread? Seems a bit off topic. This topic is rich with its own possibilities. Why not address them? It's not like you don't have an opinion on the topic. ;)

DR
 
Darth Rotor said:
BAC, why are you dragging that argument into this thread?
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Well I suggest you ask Gurdur why he invited me to the thread with his nasty little comment. If I wanted to join the thread, I would. I don't need him claiming to know what my views are on this subject. Not when he's already been shown to know so little about what HE claims.
 
This looks like the film equivalent of a book I'm currently reading: "Fiasco: The American Military Adventure in Iraq". I'll have to go check it out and see a lot of the people that this book has been talking about.
 
Darth Rotor said:
I had a friend, computer programmer, who was born in Syria but raised in the US. He attends a small Syriac Christian Church, and man, you want to talk about "old school" when it comes to Christian Churches? Heh, the Pope is a piker, compared to these guys. I recall him pointing me toward the a large Syriac Christian community in Australia when we talked about it.

Same group, or different?
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Very mild differences, and I think they belong to the same overall Patriach.

Of interest is also their own copy / translation of the Bible, which was compiled and translated seperately to the Western.

Also of interest is their using Aramaic as a liturgical language.

For another extremly old and seperate church (officially formed @ 300 AD, officially thus much older than the official Roman Catholic Church), also see the Armenian Orthodox Church; in Sydney, Australia, again, there is a large community of Armenians.

BTW, it can be very confusing; American Calvinists (i.e. Baptists) like to use the term "Armenianisn" and "Armenians" to refer to a particular theological strand within Calvinism. It has absolutely nothing to do with Armenia the country or the Armenian Church.
 
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