New Swift Boat Ad

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Huh, and here I thought there were actual issues like terrorism, Iraq, unemployment, corporate scandals, women's rights...

Story here at CNN

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The latest ad, titled "Friends," accuses Kerry of "secretly meeting with enemy leaders in Paris," where the U.S. government was involved in off-and-on peace talks with the North Vietnamese.

"Even before Jane Fonda went to Hanoi to meet with the enemy and mock America, John Kerry secretly met with enemy leaders in Paris, though we were still at war and Americans were being held in North Vietnamese prison camps," the ad says.
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It's worth reading for the explanation behind that, especially since it wasn't exactly a secret meeting and he wasn't the only one to meet them in Paris.

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As for the swift boat group's allegation that Kerry met with the enemy, Karnow said, "Half the Washington press corps met with the enemy. We went to dinner with the enemy -- to get information. American officials certainly met with the enemy in the course of the talks."
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Correct me if I'm wrong ... Someone who volunteers to fight and be in harms way, feels later that the war is wrong, and seeks information to support his new beliefs, and rallies in support of his new beliefs is unfit for president?

I won't get into a comparison of the current Pres ....

Charlie (but I'll pray for guidance, and do what I meant anyway) Monoxide

PS Move to a swing state (I'm getting Nevada TV), and you'll be up to date on the various agitprop ads ....
 
LostAngeles said:
Huh, and here I thought there were actual issues like terrorism, Iraq, unemployment, corporate scandals, women's rights...

Story here at CNN



It's worth reading for the explanation behind that, especially since it wasn't exactly a secret meeting and he wasn't the only one to meet them in Paris.
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Kerry was neither a reporter seeking a mere interview nor a designated member of any U.S. negotiating team. What was he doing there, while still in the Navy Reserves, meeting with the enemy? Are you aware that it is against the law for any ole citizen to just go meet with the enemy during a war? Are you aware that his big fundraiser for his VVAW, Ms. Fonda, was on the record as favoring the enemy being victorious?

Just what do YOU think he was discussing with the enemy, and who gave him the authority to do it?
 
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Mona said:
Are you aware that it is against the law for any ole citizen to just go meet with the enemy during a war?
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Are you aware that it wasn't a war, and that all those laws applying to a declared war do not in any fashion whatsoever apply?

It was a "police action", remember? And it wasn't authorized by congress, nor was there any formal declaration, hence the "War Powers Act" came into being.

This kind of behavior by the swifties, a behavior that they KNOW is false, shows entirely how bankrupt they, and their supporters are.

Once again, the draft dodger whines about the person who got the silver star. There might be a more lame way to behave, but it's hard to believe.
 
26 year olds can't be President. There's a reason for that.

This is ancient history.
 
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jj said:
Are you aware that it wasn't a war, and that all those laws applying to a declared war do not in any fashion whatsoever apply?

It was a "police action", remember? And it wasn't authorized by congress, nor was there any formal declaration, hence the "War Powers Act" came into being.

Once again, the draft dodger whines about the person who got the silver star. There might be a more lame way to behave, but it's hard to believe.
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The war powers act is a joke. Kerry fits into the draft dodger category as well. He didn't serve a full term in country.
 
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merphie said:
The war powers act is a joke. Kerry fits into the draft dodger category as well. He didn't serve a full term in country.
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You're saying he dodged the draft by volunteering for combat? Man, that Kerry is a coward! Enlisting in the national guard and never seeing combat for a few years is a much braver way of dodging the draft.

Seriously, so he took advantage of the system. So did Bush. So what? It was 30+ years ago.
 
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merphie said:
The war powers act is a joke. Kerry fits into the draft dodger category as well. He didn't serve a full term in country.
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Not that I give a toss, since none of those clowns is going to be my president (we have our own circus back home), but...

...have you realized the enormity of what you are saying? Are you seriously calling a draft-dodger to someone who -even if you believe all the mud that has been thrown around- saw combat, in the war he is supposed to be "dodging"?

Maybe you should read on what a draft-dodger is... I assume you can...
 
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Megalodon said:
Are you seriously calling a draft-dodger to someone who -even if you believe all the mud that has been thrown around- saw combat, in the war he is supposed to be "dodging"?
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Well, when you put it that way, you can really see how inept Kerry is. How lousy of a draft-dodger do you have to be spend three months in combat?

Maybe he'll do better in the election if he tries to not be president?
 
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merphie said:
The war powers act is a joke. Kerry fits into the draft dodger category as well. He didn't serve a full term in country.
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How did he avoid the draft, then?
 
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Upchurch said:
Well, when you put it that way, you can really see how inept Kerry is. How lousy of a draft-dodger do you have to be spend three months in combat?

Maybe he'll do better in the election if he tries to not be president?
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On the other hand, in that logic, if somebody convinces him to increase the deficit and enlarge the government... it will be a new golden age for the US!

You see the kind of idiocy that drags me out of lurking?
 
History does repeat itself.

  • Clinton was criticized for his Vietnam record.
  • Kerry is criticized for his Vietnam record.
  • Clinton was criticized for smooching with communists (then the major enemies of the USA).
  • Kerry is criticized for meeting with "enemy leaders" of the USA.

You are being played, dear American friends...
 
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Upchurch said:
Can't be drafted if you volunteer, now can you?
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True. Ergo, Kerry is a draft dodger (by volunteering).

What a weird kind of logic....
 
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merphie said:
The war powers act is a joke. Kerry fits into the draft dodger category as well. He didn't serve a full term in country.
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Talk about newspeak, are you taking lessons from Orwell personally? Wanna investigate the prize on that one?

Sorry, no, Kerry isn't a draft dodger any more than some poor bloke who died is a draft dodger.

By your standard "didn't serve a full term" you'd most every person who died (excepting those on a second or more shifts oer there) as a draft dodger.
 
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CFLarsen said:
True. Ergo, Kerry is a draft dodger (by volunteering).

What a weird kind of logic....
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It's the kind of logic that shows that the people using it have an agenda that allows them utterly free reign in persuing it.
 
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Upchurch said:
Seriously, so he took advantage of the system. So did Bush. So what? It was 30+ years ago.
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Agreed.

I should have been clear. I wasn't calling Kerry a draft dodger. I was trying to imply that Kerry did nothing than most of the rich and powerful. To claim anything else makes him a hypocrite.

I just don't think he should be claiming to be some war hero when he used the system and then turn around and point fingers at Bush for doing the same thing.

Poor grunts like my grandfather had to stay in country for their full term. My grandfather commented that he doesn't believe Kerry has any room to speak because he wasn't there long enough to really know what it was like. He said that the soldiers liked the service more toward the end of their term because they knew where everything was and what was going on. I agreed with him that Kerry's "testimony" with his opinion in congress was disrespectful to the soldiers in country.
 
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Megalodon said:
Not that I give a toss, since none of those clowns is going to be my president (we have our own circus back home), but...

...have you realized the enormity of what you are saying? Are you seriously calling a draft-dodger to someone who -even if you believe all the mud that has been thrown around- saw combat, in the war he is supposed to be "dodging"?

Maybe you should read on what a draft-dodger is... I assume you can...
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That's not what I said. Kerry abused the system just as Bush. Kerry just claims he is some war hero when clearly he is not.
 
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merphie said:
Kerry just claims he is some war hero when clearly he is not.
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First, show me exactly, a quote please, where "Kerry just claims he is some war hero"

Second, I don't know what your definition of "war hero" is, but Jim Rassmann might disagree with you.
 
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