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New settlement in East Jerusalem

steverino said:
You'll get over it.
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From the article:

20,000 homes.

That's the project. At two to three people per home, that's 40-50,000 people.

The article reports the building of a city in a small portion of a city.

Let's see: this is bound to go a long way toward creating good will.

Nope, it is making some developers rich. They have friends in government.

Follow the money, the project gets approved, and the devil take the hindmost.

DR
 
It is not "East Jerusalem." It is within municipal Jerusalem.

"The local committee for housing and construction is considering various proposals for new neighbourhoods, all inside the municipal area of Jerusalem," a city council spokesperson said.
"The committee sees fit to announce its intention to change the district outline plan in order to allow construction in additional outlying areas of the city: Walaja, Givat Alona, the Atarot airport area, and more."

Anyway, the photo accompanying the OP-linked article is extremely misleading, since these 20,000 new homes have not yet even been approved, and construction certainly has not begun.
 
Almo said:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6645777.stm

When I look at this image, I feel like I'm looking at a larger, more organized version of the results of a suicide bombing. Both images make me feel sick.
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It's just carrying out Sharon's strategy of dividing the West Bank into two, and isolating the Arab East, to create powerless Bantustaans. At the same time, a development that was mooted for West Jerusalem has fizzled out.
 
webfusion said:
It is not "East Jerusalem." It is within municipal Jerusalem.

"The local committee for housing and construction is considering various proposals for new neighbourhoods, all inside the municipal area of Jerusalem," a city council spokesperson said.
"The committee sees fit to announce its intention to change the district outline plan in order to allow construction in additional outlying areas of the city: Walaja, Givat Alona, the Atarot airport area, and more."

Anyway, the photo accompanying the OP-linked article is extremely misleading, since these 20,000 new homes have not yet even been approved, and construction certainly has not begun.
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web...what is a "jewish neighborhood"?
 
What the extremist settlers are really on about. MEMRI must have missed it by mistake.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/858180.html

It was totally illegitimate to be afraid, and it was impossible to speak frankly. When Gilad Zar was murdered [in a terrorist ambush in 2001], Rabbi Melamed said that it was the greatest mitzva to die a martyr's death, that there was no greater commandment than giving one's life for the Land of Israel. The rabbi has a huge influence on Yigael, who always tries to please him and adopts his views. I could cry for hours and he was silent. He demonstrated a tremendous ability to be silent. He never came over to calm me, never embraced or caressed me. In a coldly quiet voice he would say, 'You have to strengthen your faith and understand what holiness is - the holiness of the Land of Israel.'

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"On the contrary: when I was traveling with people from the settlement and we passed Arabs in Hawara, and some of the settlers cursed them, I would look and see human beings - living men, women and children. Whenever I saw the suffering, the poverty, how they waited hours at checkpoints, their difficulty in managing their lives, getting out of Nablus, entering Nablus, I completely stopped identifying with the messages of the settlers, with the glorification of killing. The more I saw our control, the power, I understood that when you frustrate a whole nation, there is no way anything sane will come out of it.

"I don't know which political settlement is best - don't talk to me about politics. I only know that when I drove in an air-conditioned car and saw a woman waiting for hours in the broiling sun at a checkpoint, I couldn't bear it. Today I know that the extremist settlers do not own religious Zionism. Anyone who constructs his Zionism solely on the basis of occupied territories has a problem with his Zionism."
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The Fool said:
web...what is a "jewish neighborhood"?
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Uh, one in which the residents are jews, and primarily orthodox (religiously-observant). This is the nature of many neighborhoods and even entire towns in various parts of Israel. Mea Sha'arim is a good example.
http://www.answers.com/topic/meah-shearim


Here is a current Supreme Court case regarding 'jewish neighborhoods/towns' refusing to accommodate non-jews.
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article6569.shtml


While it may not be to your liking, those are the realities. Israel is not California.
 
steverino said:
You'll get over it.
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Some here are reading odd things into my four word comment. I am saying, "You will get over the gut reaction you have of linking this development to a suicide bomb."

Perhaps such a new development lacks legitimacy. But certainly, a comparison to suicide bombs has questionable legitimacy, too.
 
webfusion said:
Uh, one in which the residents are jews, and primarily orthodox (religiously-observant). This is the nature of many neighborhoods and even entire towns in various parts of Israel. Mea Sha'arim is a good example.
http://www.answers.com/topic/meah-shearim


Here is a current Supreme Court case regarding 'jewish neighborhoods/towns' refusing to accommodate non-jews.
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article6569.shtml


While it may not be to your liking, those are the realities. Israel is not California.
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Which is why state backed racism means there will not be peace. Read the link I provided. The reason the settlements were abandoned in Gaza was because of force of arms. Legal, peaceful processes fail. You tell me which way the Palestinians will jump.
 
webfusion said:
Uh, one in which the residents are jews, and primarily orthodox (religiously-observant). This is the nature of many neighborhoods and even entire towns in various parts of Israel. Mea Sha'arim is a good example.
http://www.answers.com/topic/meah-shearim


Here is a current Supreme Court case regarding 'jewish neighborhoods/towns' refusing to accommodate non-jews.
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article6569.shtml


While it may not be to your liking, those are the realities. Israel is not California.
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you are certainly correct that it is not to my liking. Racism has that effect on me.
So only some of the "full and equal" citizens of israel are suitable stock to live there?
 
WildCat said:
I think they'll jump towards the state-backed racism practiced by arabs everywhere. Only more genocidal.
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You are happy with segregated living zones based on race? Or is it only Arab state backed racism that you find troublesome?
 
WildCat said:
I think they'll jump towards the state-backed racism practiced by arabs everywhere. Only more genocidal.
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The anti-semitism that is a part of the conflict is wrong, and self defeating. Rational thinking is the best way to resolve this conflict, and using anti-semitism to fuel the conflict is self defeating. It alienates the moderate Israelis who will be the other part of a peace settlement, it demonises Jews in general, which is irrational, so it is self-defeating, apart from being racist and wrong.

However, that was not the point. My point was that there are extremists on both sides, including Israeli settlers who see death for their cause as worthwhile as the suicide bombers.
 
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