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New free web-based e-mail service from Google

Cleopatra

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Whoa 1 GB mailbox will offer Google to the users of the free web-based mail and it will allow attachments as large as 10 MB!!!

According to the news though

But there's a catch to the e-mail. Hoping to turn a profit from the service — dubbed Gmail — privately held Google has programmed its computers to dissect the topics being discussed in the e-mails and then deliver text-based ads related to the subjects.

For instance, an e-mail from one friend to another discussing an upcoming concert might prompt Google to include an advertising link from a ticketing agency.

"I don't think (the ads) will be annoying at all," Google co-founder Larry Page said during an interview Wednesday. "We think this will give us a business model that will work and allow us to provide a high-quality service."


http://www.ajc.com/business/content/business/0404/01gmail.html
Does this constitute a violation of privacy?
 
It is almost too good to be true. :wow2:

I don't think that it is a privacy violation, since the information is only used to select an ad to attach on the message. If this is the only thing that they do with the information. But if they start to build a profile of the user using his email comunication, then I think it would be a privacy violation.
 
Cleopatra said:
Does this constitute a violation of privacy?
I don't think so unless they use information about you that you have not agreed to as a condition of use of the service. You trade your privacy for services rendered. If you don't like the ToS you simply don't use their service.

Interesting paradigm though. I wonder how they handle spam? Would there be ads for penis enlargement inserted in spam email for penis enlargement?
 
Re: Re: New free web-based e-mail service from Google

Skeptoid said:
I wonder how they handle spam? Would there be ads for penis enlargement inserted in spam email for penis enlargement?
It would contain an ad for anti-spam software.:p
 
Re: Re: Re: New free web-based e-mail service from Google

LuxFerum said:

It would contain an ad for anti-spam software.:p

You say that like you've never received one. ;)

Or the pop-up ads for pop-up killers. :(
 
The 'free' version of Opera does the same thing. You go to a particular sort of web site, and a particular sort of ad shows up in the little window. I have a friend who uses it, and he isn't bothered by it at all.
 
Could be a clever marketing balloon as well.

Release a news tidbit on 1 April, see if the response is generally negative, say it was "a joke" if it was, and actually go through with it, if it was not.
 
BTW, http://www.thinkgeek.com/ has some prank products on their top page.

Not the "free" t-shirt, apparently. It does indeed say something appropriate for today.

The 1GB 'limit' is actually not that impressive. About 1.5TB could be arranged in a RAID configuration WITH a hot spare for less than around $2000.

I have four years of email history, including some fat attachments sitting in my local mail folders, and that adds up to only 200MB.

That would support about 7500 users, as most people will never, ever accumulate a gigabyte of email. A lot of people simply delete as they go.

Applying some compression, the email could consume even less space. Call it (conservatively) 15000 users for about $3,000 worth of equipment. One rackmount chassis, system with one RAID controller, eight 250GB SATA drives, and one small portion of a big, fat internet pipeline would handle 15,000 users at this sort of capacity very comfortably. Further savings in the form of "identical" email attachments being reference counted and stored seperately would also be possible.

Targeted web based advertising (which they already have the infrastructure to handle trivially) to 15,000 people would probably pay for that hardware in a few months.

In other words: yes, it could be done.

If they throw in spam eatin' (and given their work with a search engine, and the analysis of the text content, spam eatin' should be trivial), I might go for it.

They already provide google accounts with newsgroup access, after all.
 
I hope it is not a prank because I intend to use it in order to throw in there all the e-mails and subscriptions from the discussion lists I participate .
 
It's easy to get about 3 to 1 compression of ascii text, possibly more if the compression is tuned specifically for email. And since few users are going to use anywhere near that amount, especially at first, Google can easily oversell the service.

I hope this isn't an April fools, as I've already signed up to be a beta tester!
 
EvilYeti said:
It's easy to get about 3 to 1 compression of ascii text, possibly more if the compression is tuned specifically for email. And since few users are going to use anywhere near that amount, especially at first, Google can easily oversell the service.

I hope this isn't an April fools, as I've already signed up to be a beta tester!

BBC news 24 has just said it isn't an April fools. It's supposed to be for real.
 
evildave said:
I have four years of email history, including some fat attachments sitting in my local mail folders, and that adds up to only 200MB.

I would use the best part of 1Gb. And I bet most people would too, not as just e-mail: as a virtual drive. I surely would keep emailing myself the files I'd want to archive remotely.
 
Cleopatra said:
I got an account and so far it seems very user friendly.
I like it too. I really like the threaded emails, the keyboard shortcuts, and of course this line: "You are currently using 0 MB (0%) of your 1000 MB."

But I did find it strange that there is no way to open up your contact list and select more than one person to send an e-mail to. You can send it to more than one person if you type their name directly, and the auto-complete feature makes that pretty easy, but sometimes when I am sending out a group e-mail I can't remember all the people I need to send it to and need the contact list for that. That seems like an oversight they need to fix before it is released to the unwashed masses.
 
I like very much the keyboard shortcuts as well and the fact that there is not any key to send the e-mail protects users like me from accidents.

I haven't noticed the problem with the contact list. It seems that you are right.
 
Interesting Ian said:
Huh??? It's available?? It says it hasn't been launched yet. What are people talking about??
A limited number of people have been allowed to sign up for accounts while Gmail is still in beta. From here:
We're currently only offering Gmail as part of a preview release and limited test. We don't have details on when Gmail will be made more widely available, as that depends in part on the results of the test. If you're interested in receiving updates on Gmail, submit your email address using the form at the bottom of this page. And you can check out a sneak peek of Gmail here.
 

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