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New Canadian Gun Ban

Well done Canada.

Australia banned guns like that 20 years ago and the fabric of society remains intact.
 
lionking said:
Well done Canada.

Australia banned guns like that 20 years ago and the fabric of society remains intact.
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I owned a 30-30 Winchester for hunting caribou when I lived in the north Canadian bush in the 70s, but really, apart from hunting and sport (ie target shooting) I think that guns are a stupid and reckless thing to keep around.

I think that guns for self-defence or any other purpose are at best a dangerous and abominable notion. Civilized people shouldn't anticipate the need to shoot each other, especially in quantity.
 
theprestige said:
Port Arthur was an anomaly. The trend was down before, and down after. The fabric of Australian society remained substantially whole.
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Ah, nope. As Lionking said.

And our mealy-mouthed little elf of a PM did the one good thing in office in implementing the gun control legislation we have had since then.
 
IMO cutting back on the mass murdering hardware just makes a place more safe and comfortable to live in.
 
Norman Alexander said:
Sure about that?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoddle_Street_massacre

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Bryant

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christchurch_mosque_shootings
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You gave 3 shootings....

- One occurred in New Zealand, not Australia. Pretty sure the Kiwis would be a little miffed to be lumped in with Australia
- The other 2 shootings you mentioned occurred almost a decade apart. Tragic, I'm sure, but I'm not sure if it would be characterized as 'a string of shootings' or something that is 'tearing apart the fabric of Australia'.

From Wiki

There were of course other mass shootings that happened both before and after Australia brought in its stricter gun laws..
 
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shemp said:
So, you have an interest in killing foreigners then! :D
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I don't want to overcommit on my lack of murderous intent. Then everybody will want a pass. :)

shemp said:
Joking aside, it's about time this was done. If only it could be done here in the States, but I doubt it will ever happen.
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It's unlikely to change much in the US any time soon, I'm afraid.
 
Segnosaur said:
You gave 3 shootings....

- One occurred in New Zealand, not Australia. Pretty sure the Kiwis would be a little miffed to be lumped in with Australia
- The other 2 shootings you mentioned occurred almost a decade apart. Tragic, I'm sure, but I'm not sure if it would be characterized as 'a string of shootings' or something that is 'tearing apart the fabric of Australia'.

From Wiki

There were of course other mass shootings that happened both before and after Australia brought in its stricter gun laws..
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Which came after? The only one I’m aware of is the killing of two people with a handgun at Monash University which doesn’t meet the standard definition of a “mass murder”. There may have been a recent murder/suicide, but we have gone from a series of mass murders with high powered rifles in a short time before the ban to none or one in the decades since.
 
lionking said:
Which came after? The only one I’m aware of is the killing of two people with a handgun at Monash University which doesn’t meet the standard definition of a “mass murder”.
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A few of the ones off the Wiki page gives:
Monash University (2002)... as you mentioned
Oakhampton Heights Shooting (2005)... mother shoots 3 family members then herself
Hectorville siege (2011)... 3 killed, 3 injured (neighbors/police officers)
Hunt family murders (2014)... Man kills his wife and children
Wedderburn shooting (2014).... man stabs a boy, then shoots parents
Brighton Siege (2017)... labeled by police as 'terrorism', involved the killing of 1 victim and the injuring of 3 more (including police officiers)

Then of course there are a bunch of non-gun related mass killings (by fire/stabbing/etc.)
There may have been a recent murder/suicide, but we have gone from a series of mass murders with high powered rifles in a short time before the ban to none or one in the decades since.
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Well, before the Port Arthur Massacre, there was
- The hillcrest murders, where the killer used a winchester rifle (not exactly an "assault" weapon)
- Cangai siege (1993).... I couldn't find a full accounting of the weapons used, but at least one victim was killed with a shotgun, so its possible they didn't have assault style weapons
- Central Coast (1993)... also used a shotgun
- Strathfield (1991) ... used a semi-automatic rifle (again, not an 'assault' weapon)
- Surry Hills (1990)... another use of a shotgun

So that is 6 large-scale shootings in ~half decade prior to the stricter gun laws in Australia. Which is admittedly not good.

But of those,
- Roughly half used 'shotguns'
- 2 others used non-assault weapons. (Yes, they were semi-automatics, but I don't think they would be the type covered by Canada's proposed weapons ban. They were the type that would be used for hunting.)
 
One mildly annoying thing is that a magazine-fed semi-automatic rifle is more than adequate for assault work, as far as actual infantry tactics are concerned.

"Assault weapon" bans tend to focus on banning cosmetic or secondary features, while ignoring the core features that make it fit for purpose.

Australia at least understands that box magazines and semi-automatic actions are flatly unacceptable.
 
eerok said:
Canada set to ban 11 categories of assault rifles, other weapons
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The AR-15 is not an assault rifle. "Assault weapon" is not the same thing as "assault rifle". The latter is a technical military term for a class of selective fire (both semi-automatic and fully automatic) rifles such as the M-16. I suspect that assault rifles have long been prohibited for general ownership in Canada, as they are in the United States. "Assault weapon" is a bull **** made up term with no consistent definition, which often depends on the presence of certain cosmetic features to define it.
 
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