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New 9/11 Poll

I'd like to see the actual poll questions before getting too anxious that the Truthers are gaining ground.
 
this poll combines the responders who think its an "inside job" with those who merely think the govt didnt do everything they could have to prevent it, i suspect the "inside jobbers" make up a small fraction of the 1/3
 
defaultdotxbe said:
this poll combines the responders who think its an "inside job" with those who merely think the govt didnt do everything they could have to prevent it, i suspect the "inside jobbers" make up a small fraction of the 1/3
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Well, there are various degrees of "inside job." The government could have done it. They could have known about it and figured it fit in with their plans. They could have infiltrated the organization carrying it out and have been in a position to influence things like timing and choice of targets. Israel could have known about it and decided not to tell us. Etc...

In the first WTC bombing, an FBI informant was helping mix the explosives. Due to a miscommunication, the people weren't arrested until after the bomb exploded.

These things are often tangled webs, and ones enemies can be exploited as ones own assets in surprising ways.

I would not have a problem with using the term "inside job" to describe anything other than total genuine surprise by all levels of the government at the time the attack took place.
 
Cyphermage said:
Well, there are various degrees of "inside job." The government could have done it. They could have known about it and figured it fit in with their plans. They could have infiltrated the organization carrying it out and have been in a position to influence things like timing and choice of targets. Israel could have known about it and decided not to tell us. Etc...

In the first WTC bombing, an FBI informant was helping mix the explosives. Due to a miscommunication, the people weren't arrested until after the bomb exploded.

These things are often tangled webs, and ones enemies can be exploited as ones own assets in surprising ways.

I would not have a problem with using the term "inside job" to describe anything other than total genuine surprise by all levels of the government at the time the attack took place.
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It's well established that the current adminstration was told of the potential of terrorist attacks on U.S soil by al Qaeda; They don't even deny this. So I'd find it hard to believe that it was 'total genuine surprise' regardless. Does that qualify as an 'inside job' though? I'd hardly think so.
 
Ripley Twenty-Nine said:
It's well established that the current adminstration was told of the potential of terrorist attacks on U.S soil by al Qaeda; They don't even deny this. So I'd find it hard to believe that it was 'total genuine surprise' regardless. Does that qualify as an 'inside job' though? I'd hardly think so.
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Total surprise as to the specifics of this particular operation. Obviously we know in a general sense that certain people are pissed off at us, and want to blow us up, perhaps not without some good reasons.
 
Here's a more detailed article: http://www.scrippsnews.com/911poll

The poll also found that 16 percent of Americans speculate that secretly planted explosives, not burning passenger jets, were the real reason the massive twin towers of the World Trade Center collapsed...
Twelve percent suspect the Pentagon was struck by a military cruise missile in 2001 rather than by an airliner captured by terrorists.
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So when the truthers say "1 third", what they really mean is only half that number.

I wonder what percentage believe that the government is covering up aliens or believe that Elvis is still alive?
 
but Elvis IS alive, i just saw him last week, he was in front of a used car dealership waving at peopel who drive by
 
A poll that says that stupidity affects a third of the population?...

No news to me. :rolleyes:
 
I actually made a post about this on another site.

I'd like to copy it here...

Interesting stuff. Interesting questions in their survey as well, which can be found here...

http://newspolls.org/survey.php?survey_id=23

Let's take a look, shall we? Everyone was asked to answer each statement with either very likely, somewhat likely, not likely, or don't know...

There are also accusations being made following the 9/11 terrorist attack. One of these is:
People in the federal government either assisted in the 9/11 attacks or took no action to stop the attacks because they wanted to United States to go to war in the Middle East.*

Very likely 16%
Somewhat likely 20%
Not likely 59%
Don't know 5%

This is the complaint I have over and over, you can not lump "the government did it" along with "the government did nothing to stop it" into the same question. These are 2 VERY different theories of events, and even I might buy some arguements that they might have known something ahead of time. This also leaves no room for those who think the government was warned and had some foreknowledge, but no malevolent intentions. Those people likely answered "somewhat likely".

And even then, only 16% say 'very likely" so they have to lump in the other "somewhat likely" group so they can claim 1/3rd "suspect a conspiracy".

To prove my point, take a look at the answers to some of the other, more direct questions...

The Pentagon was not struck by an airliner captured by terrorists but, instead was hit by a cruise missle fired by the U.S. military.*

Very likely 6%
Somewhat likely 6%
Not likely 80%
Don't kniow 7%
Other response 1%

The collapse if the twin towers in New York was aided by explosives secretly planted in the two buildings.*

Very likely 6%
Somewhat likely 10%
Unlikely 77%
Don't know 6%
Other response 1% (keep in mind the slightly higher "somewhat likely" number than the last question could very well be due to the question not specifying that it was the government who allegedly planted these explosives. Those who answered could have thought that maybe Al-Qaeda planting some beforehand to help get the job done was "somewhat likely")

Just as I have always mantained, once you drop the charade and ask people straight up if they believe in the whole inside job controlled demolition and missile hit the Pentagon and other such conspiracy garbage, the % drops like a freakin rock!

Also let me add that I could also take just the answers to those 2 questions and use only the people who answered "very likely" and make the claim that the poll shows that approx 1 in 17 people only believe in 9/11 conspiracy theories such as a controlled demo of the towers or that a missle hit the Pentagon. Same numbers, different interpritation!
 
XXX said:
I actually made a post about this on another site.

I'd like to copy it here...

Interesting stuff. Interesting questions in their survey as well, which can be found here...

http://newspolls.org/survey.php?survey_id=23

Let's take a look, shall we? Everyone was asked to answer each statement with either very likely, somewhat likely, not likely, or don't know...

There are also accusations being made following the 9/11 terrorist attack. One of these is:
People in the federal government either assisted in the 9/11 attacks or took no action to stop the attacks because they wanted to United States to go to war in the Middle East.*

Very likely 16%
Somewhat likely 20%
Not likely 59%
Don't know 5%

This is the complaint I have over and over, you can not lump "the government did it" along with "the government did nothing to stop it" into the same question. These are 2 VERY different theories of events, and even I might buy some arguements that they might have known something ahead of time. This also leaves no room for those who think the government was warned and had some foreknowledge, but no malevolent intentions. Those people likely answered "somewhat likely".
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I think "did nothing to stop the attacks because they wanted the US to go to war in the Middle East" is the very definition of "malevolent intentions." The question, as it is phrased, doesn't allow for innocent foreknowlege.
 
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And that's funny, because that's the response I know is coming and the same one the other guy came up with.

I see what you are saying, and you are correct in your statement about the exact wording of the question, but I do think that someone who was read this question over the phone who might have thought that some people in the government had some knowledge or even just suspicions ahead of time or should have done more but didn't would have probably been compelled to answer "somewhat likely".

Not to get political here, but especially when you think about the Bush haters who have heard over and over about how 9/11 served the interests of the administration to go to war in the Middle East, and even without a shread of evidence or ever even seeing something like "loose change" they'd probably be compelled to answer at least "somewhat likely".

But like I said, the main point is that when you start asking people point blank with no other wording or BS if you believe in the whole "controlled demolition" or "missle hit the Pentagon" stuff and suddenly the number drops huge. That's the real number for the 9/11 conspiracy folk (6%), they won't admit it, and you won't see them reporting it.
 
And as further proof, May I submit this...

Notice that in both the Pentagon question and the controlled demolition question, we get a whole new catagory of "other responses". That would have been very useful to have in their "...People in the federal government either assisted in the 9/11 attacks or took no action to stop the attacks because they wanted to United States to go to war in the Middle East..." question, very useful indeed as it would have eliminated what I was talking about, but they didn't. Why is that? With that catagory, I believe that people who are like the ones I described would have answers that way. But instead it has to be one of those 4 responses in this one.

Which all just proves what we all know to be true anyways. That polls are BS.
 
Pardalis said:
A poll that says that stupidity affects a third of the population?...

No news to me. :rolleyes:
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That poll must be old.

I heard a recent poll has raised those numbers to at least 1/2 of the population.... :D
 
XXX said:
But like I said, the main point is that when you start asking people point blank with no other wording or BS if you believe in the whole "controlled demolition" or "missle hit the Pentagon" stuff and suddenly the number drops huge. That's the real number for the 9/11 conspiracy folk (6%), they won't admit it, and you won't see them reporting it.
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I have heard from polster that generally about 6% of people will answer yes to a given question regardless of what that question is...

For example, were you to ask "Is the Queen of England actually an evil alien in disguise" at least 6% will answer "yes".

Look at the moon landing hoax. Only a minority are stupid enough to think the landing was faked, but in polls a significant percentage answered that they believed the landings were faked - and that was a straight up no BS question. I believe it was over 20%???

MarkyX's "9/11 Deniers Speak" has an excellent segment on polling, where a polster gets the same person to give two contradiction answers to the same question simply by changing the wording.

-Andrew
 
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