Need Help With Leba III pet product.

[sadhatter]

So my mother , who is not exactly the most skeptical person on earth ( i could go on for pages but i digress.) is going to spend about 75 dollars for a bottle of this natural health product for dogs that is supposed to be as good as a dental cleaning.

Now unfortunately besides things put out by the company, i cannot find much information about it, i am wondering if anyone has information on this stuff , i am not saying it doesn't work, just that i cannot find information other than very dubious sources about its effectiveness.

Thanks in advance, and if anybody can get me an answer by today i might be able to save my parents 75 dollars.

 

[Sunsneezer]

Ingredients: Distilled water, Ethyl alcohol 25%, Lamiaceae and Rosaceae in trace elements.
Sounds like something your mother could make herself and put in a dolarama bottle for a few bucks.

 

[sadhatter]

Ingredients: Distilled water, Ethyl alcohol 25%, Lamiaceae and Rosaceae in trace elements.
Sounds like something your mother could make herself and put in a dolarama bottle for a few bucks.

Well that was a start, but unfortunately to no avail. The response i recieved was " but.... i would have to find alcohol safe for dogs. " and " i would rather just pay it. "

I am thinking i am going to need to get something that would show the effectiveness or lack thereof.

 

[Sunsneezer]

DIY medicine is not the safest option anyway.

But I could point out that, from the front page:

Products that kill the bacteria have an antibiotic action, damaging the environment of the mouth.

From the instruction page:

Ingredients: Distilled water, Ethyl alcohol 25%, Lamiaceae and Rosaceae in trace elements.

bacteria + alcohol = dead bacteria.

Your mom should ask a veterinarian - or another veterinarian. There has to be a cheaper alternative.

 

[Marduk]

From what I can see this product will save your mother money from vets fees.
It does what it says it does.
I can't find anyone who has anything bad to say about it at all, so its either genuine, or part of the NWO stranglehold on rationality

 

[notwithout]

I looked at the results of the double blind trial on the Leba III site and there were a couple of things that stood out to me. Out the 7 animals who received Leba III, only 3 showed market improvement. The other 4 showed only “some” or “slight” improvement. In 2 cases (Spud and Bruno) the test subject had a tooth become worse during the treatment – though in Spud’s case that seems to have cleared up eventually.

Looking at the group the received the placebo, none of the animals seem to have become dramatically worse. It would seem to me then that LebaLab’s trial indicates that while using their product is better than nothing usage does not guarantee stellar results. Further, they do not offer any kind of proof that their product is better than any other product on the market.

Aside from the less than great results, there are some other issues. The before and after photos aren’t always taken from the same angle – if the product works so well, why not showcase that through comparison instead of showing random photos? Also some of the animals who received Leba III in the trial are not pictured at all. This seems like the company is trying to hide results. Photos are mentioned in the vet’s report so they should exist and be available. My final concern, and I say this with no experience in animal dentistry it is just purely my opinion, is that in the after photos not just on Lebalab’s site but in other review sites as well while the dog’s teeth do seem whiter and brighter any gum damage has not been repaired. Dark spots remain dark and inflamed tissue stays inflamed. Possibly the product works as a whitener but not as an all around periodontal solution.

ETA: photos are taken from different angles, not different angels.

 

[Sunsneezer]

It does what it says it does indeed. It is water, etyl alcohol, mint and flower extract. It is a glorified breath freshener for dogs. My only problem with it is its unjustified price tag. And bogus claim of not having antibiotic action.

 

[tesscaline]

The ingredients aren't much different than standard mouthwash for humans -- it's just missing the standard (menthol) mint flavorings. And just to point out, mouthwash isn't a substitute for brushing teeth and going to the dentist for a cleaning. Even if she bought and used the product, she'd still need to brush the dog's teeth and keep up with regular dental maintenance provided by a vet (when/if necessary).

 

[Marduk]

Somebody call Rolfe

 

[sadhatter]

The ingredients aren't much different than standard mouthwash for humans -- it's just missing the standard (menthol) mint flavorings. And just to point out, mouthwash isn't a substitute for brushing teeth and going to the dentist for a cleaning. Even if she bought and used the product, she'd still need to brush the dog's teeth and keep up with regular dental maintenance provided by a vet (when/if necessary).

See that is my issue, my mom went to the vet today ( sorry as an aside, i cannot believe i am doing this to help my parents chihuahuas , i hate them. But i guess i hate woo more. ) and came back all raving about this stuff. What i gather is that it was presented to her as an alternative to teeth brushing and getting doggy dental work ( by 'gather' i mean that is what was told to her). While i agree it might make the dogs breath smell nicer for a bit it is the claim that it will remove need for regular check ups and teeth brushing that is crawling up my hoop.

 

[sadhatter]

I would love for a vet/dentist to come in here. I mean i am convinced it is nothing more than overpriced mouthwash, but it would do a lot for my cause to have a professional on my side.

 

[Andrew Wiggin]

I would suggest she use a similar preparation of water, alcohol and herbal extracts commonly marketed for humans, and proven safe for over a century. It's called 'listerine'.

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