Nader Announces '04 Run

Ed said:
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/national/AP-Nader.html?hp

Goodbye Kerry, hello Bush.
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It depends. If a few weeks (days?) before the election, Nader publicly announces he is withdrawing from the race and throws his support to the Democrats, it might not be a big deal. Nader has some valid points to make and deserves to have them heard. However, I suspect that a lot of his followers will not vote for him this time because they saw the result of what it did last time. There is indeed such a thing as the lesser of two evils.

My wife, one of the most rabid environmentalists you will ever find, is absolutely furious with him, even though she nearly voted for him the first time.
 
Maybe. It seems as if this is going to be one ugly contest, it would be that way if the players simply told the truth about each other. I, personally, am feeling a bit disaffected and if I have to hold my nose to vote for one or the other, why not Nader?

Dunno, but it certainly adds interest.
 
The government doesnt belong to two parties. It wasn't his fault Bush won in 2000, it was Al Gore's. He couldn't out-debate a simpleton.

12 times more democrats voted for Bush than voted for Nader in Florida. So blame them or blame Gore for not being able to convince them he was the better person for the job.

Hopefully Kerry's debating skills are better than Gore's.
 
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Tricky said:

It depends. If a few weeks (days?) before the election, Nader publicly announces he is withdrawing from the race and throws his support to the Democrats, it might not be a big deal.
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That will never, never, never happen. Anyone with two IQ points to rub together can plainly see that Nader is on a lifelong ego trip. It was true in '00 and it's true today. He's a magalomaniac who is determined to go down in history, even if it's as the spoiler of a party that generally supports the issues he CLAIMS to care about.

Nader isn't about anything but Nader.

Nader has some valid points to make and deserves to have them heard. However, I suspect that a lot of his followers will not vote for him this time because they saw the result of what it did last time. There is indeed such a thing as the lesser of two evils.
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You underestimate the excitability of youth with more exuberance than experience. We have a whole new crop of gullible twits who were only 13 when he last ran. Yes, I think Nader will get much less than his 2.7% this time, but he's still a liability that could easily tip the balance of the election, FOR ABSOLUTELY NO GOOD REASON.

My wife, one of the most rabid environmentalists you will ever find, is absolutely furious with him, even though she nearly voted for him the first time.
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I'm glad she can see through his act. The man is politically insane.
 
HarryKeogh said:
The government doesnt belong to two parties. It wasn't his fault Bush won in 2000, it was Al Gore's. He couldn't out-debate a simpleton.
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I think the lion's share of the blame falls squarely on the U.S. electoral system. If we used instant-runoff voting (or some other permutation), then a vote for an independent wouldn't be thrown away, and Nader wouldn't be under fire for running.

Hopefully Kerry's debating skills are better than Gore's.
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They could hardly be worse. :)

Jeremy
 
Well even the organization that he started disavowed him. What a ass. The entire raison d'arte of public service is to serve the public not your own swollen ego. I'm not sure this country can afford another 4 yrs of duh'buh
 
Well maybe the exceptional lunatics on both ends of the political spectrum will cancel each other out.

Douche Bag De'jour:

".....Nader, who turns 66 this month, has fought for campaign finance reform, environmental protection and fair trade, employing a network of nonprofit organizations.

He faces competition for the Green Party nomination from at least three other candidates, including Jello Biafra, lead singer for The Dead Kennedys. "

Edit to add :
Maybe instead of a poll tax we can have a reality check at the polls????
 
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ssibal said:


This is just like the whole downloading music illegally fiasco. Where is the evidence that someone who votes for Nader would have voted for the Democratic candidate if Nader was not in the race?
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Dunno. Where do you think the votes would go w/ no nader?
 
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Ed said:


Dunno. Where do you think the votes would go w/ no nader?
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They could just as easily not vote, or vote for some unknown candidate. Voting for Nader does not mean the Democrats lose a vote.
 
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Originally posted by ssibal:
They could just as easily not vote, or vote for some unknown candidate. Voting for Nader does not mean the Democrats lose a vote.
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Some would vote democratic. None for Bush.
 
TillEulenspiegel said:
He faces competition for the Green Party nomination from at least three other candidates, including Jello Biafra, lead singer for The Dead Kennedys. "
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Nice! Jello will get my vote in the primaries :)
 
Ed said:
... It seems as if this is going to be one ugly contest...
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Yup! It certainly seems like it's shaping up to be a fun year for vicious political junkies like me.
 
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ssibal said:


They could just as easily not vote, or vote for some unknown candidate. Voting for Nader does not mean the Democrats lose a vote.
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Look, this is not really a debate that is particular interesting but ...

Do you really believe that the man the camera loves, Mr. Nader, got out the vote? You don't think that it was more a plague on both your houses deal?
 
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a_unique_person said:


So you are saying the US is locked into a two party system and there is no way out?
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Yes. And elections pretty much are meaningless. Because of redistricting, the results of congressional elections are of ten a given. Sorta like Saddams famous election.
 
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