My letter to Prof. Chomsky

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Dear Prof. Chomsky,
I am a Japanese citizen

In the US the major airport is at the name of John F. Kennedy, the US President during the escalation in Vietnam and the Cuban Crysis
In Japan many companies are named "Showa " after Emperor Showa who was in charge while the Japanese troops invaded most parts of South East Asia
The Catholic Church has always fought against the scandals of children rape by simply negate them or try to whitewash them as much as possible

Very few people, if any, are asking to change the name of the US airport named after JFK, to criticize a company named "Showa" or very few Catholic are actively criticizing the members of the Church who protected the child abusers

The truth that I have never read in your books is that we, with the exception of very few people, are passive sheep, soaking up lies and not considered fit to hear the truth, probably rightly, since we are also hypocrites who 'support' causes or oppressed minorities only on condition that our support costs us nothing and does not trammel our comfortable and prosperous lives.

If I may, I would like to add that you too have probably be helped in your battles by the fact that you are a leading intellectual and world famous.
Were you not, you possibly would not have gone so far in your battles against injustice.
But there is space for only one Noam Chomsky in the world.

The real heroes are the victims, or the slight minority of the people whom are not famous but give their work and life for the others.
I am involved in activism and working for others, but I do much less than what I can do, therefore I am guilty as well.
We all are, with very few exceptions.

This is what you should write in your books sometimes, you did not write this as it it is obvious, or maybe as you did not want to upset your own readers.
I still respect you a lot, you have inspired me to do what I do for the others now, but I would respect you more if you had gone all the way telling the people the truth, that at the end they are the responsible.
The reason why the majority of the people usually do not steal, kill or rape is not because they are "good", it is because they can get what they want with less risk and trouble doing it.
People are even fascinated by murders and killings, this is why they take pleasure in looking at action movies where the main attraction is seeing other human beings suffering.
During wars, when there is less risk to be in trouble or get caught, rapes, killings and looting become the norm; and even people who do not participate in this, they do not condemn when their comrades do it.
It is very rare that one soldier condemns his comrades for whatever crime
Even worse indeed, many times the people support those very part of the system which are the ones they are themselves being screwed up by.
Take the military, people spend trillions in the military and such money go into the pockets of the big military establishment.
The US layman has nothing to gain from the war in Afghanistan, and everything to lose in giving money in the pit of the US military budget.
Still many people are fascinated by the rhetoric of "support our troops", same in Japan, same in the US.
Global stupidity anyone?

How can ignorance be an excuse in the era of internet?

Because this is where the knack of the problem is: people believe they are good, loyal to their country and to their Gods, and that the blame of everything wrong must be placed on others (the enemy, the commies, the fascists, the "other side"..)
But human beings are not usually good, most of the good things they do they would do it in order to receive something back, even if just some bit of love or gratitude.
We do not just get interested in the pain and suffering of other people they are not connected with.
And this is the knack of the problem that you would have written in your books in order to make the full picture clear
What needs to be said to them is that everyone of us deserves our part of blame and in order o do so it is necessary to show that wrong things happen because of the disinterest or the stupidity of the people and not (mainly) because of the immoral decisions of this or that leader.
If this is not said clearly, people will receive the wrong impression that leaders are the problems, while the problems stands on both leaders and the people.
This is not said clearly in your books, I fear because you do not want to upset your readers?
Many people are simply cowards, they do not want to get in trouble telling the truth to their colleagues, families and friends.
Therefore, they just stick to the official version of the propaganda and do not investigate further.
Were not you a very famous intellectual, maybe you too would have some more concerns to tell others about facts that may put you in trouble in your work and in your family life.

The reason why the things have gone better (for humankind, and much worse for the millions of other animal species on planet Earth many of them close to extinction due to human activity) is not as there has been any cultural revolution or moral progress in the last 1000 years, you just need to open your TV to see that such progress is not there
The reason why things have gone better is that stealing and killing other people has become too risky and dangerous, wars even more (especially with the invention of nuclear bombs) while most of the people already have food for them and their families, therefore little incentive to look for wars abroad.
Without the scientific progress of the last 500 years, the Geneva Conventions, the Bill of Rights and the UN Charters are not worth the paper they are written on
This is the truth that sometimes I would have liked to read in your books.

Please, do not please tell me "and you, what have you done to change all this?" as even if I did much, I have no way to prove it to you and in any case my considerations are on a general ground.

The problem lies with the people, not with the institutions
The immorality of the institutions merely reflects the immorality of the vast majority of the people

This is what should be said sometimes in your books and unexpectedly isn`t


Regards,
[my name]
 
I didn't read it all; I got tired of it after a third or maybe halfway through, but the problems with the letter are:

a) You provide no evidence for your conjecture that everyone is a passive sheep, and that they are guilty and hypocritical.

b) You don't seem to offer any particular practical solution. Rather you counsel despair and are annoyed that others are not doing the same. What do you hope to achieve?

c) You could have spent a bit of time making it more concise. The old duffer probably receives thousands of letters in which people pontificate at length about their undirected dislike at the way the world is. What are you expecting him to say to you back?

As it is, from what I understand, Chomsky finds the Hobbesian view of the world of every man against every man constrained by law and strong sovereigns to be a useful idea for authoritarian governments/militarism/corporatism/imperialism and the other things he rails against. He argues that while there is no doubt some truth to what Hobbes might have said, there is also the fact that human beings require some solidarity and "mutual aid" to use Kropotkin's words. If it were any other way then we would not exist. And further, I think he also agrees with you that there are many other people, who go unacknowledged, who campaigned for civil rights and who made it possible while only a handful of people such as Martin Luther King get the credit. If everyone was as basely selfish and miserable as you say they are then such things as civil rights and other forms of a more equalitarian society would have been impossible.
 
This is what should be said sometimes in your books and unexpectedly isn`t[/b]

Instead of harassing some old guy who has never heard of you to include your ideas in his books, why don't you write your own? His interest is in writing what he thinks, if you want your ideas aired it is your responsibility to put them out there, not his. Stop being lazy and do it for yourself, instead of trying to get him to do the work for you.
 
I didn't read it all; I got tired of it after a third or maybe halfway through, but the problems with the letter are:

a) You provide no evidence for your conjecture that everyone is a passive sheep, and that they are guilty and hypocritical.

I did
In the US the major airport is at the name of John F. Kennedy, the US President during the escalation in Vietnam and the Cuban Crysis
In Japan many companies are named "Showa " after Emperor Showa who was in charge while the Japanese troops invaded most parts of South East Asia
The Catholic Church has always fought against the scandals of children rape by simply negate them or try to whitewash them as much as possible

Very few people, if any, are asking to change the name of the US airport named after JFK, to criticize a company named "Showa" or very few Catholic are actively criticizing the members of the Church who protected the child abusers

b) You don't seem to offer any particular practical solution. Rather you counsel despair and are annoyed that others are not doing the same. What do you hope to achieve?

Nothing.
I have no particular solution

c) You could have spent a bit of time making it more concise. The old duffer probably receives thousands of letters in which people pontificate at length about their undirected dislike at the way the world is. What are you expecting him to say to you back?

He already replied to me several times.

As it is, from what I understand, Chomsky finds the Hobbesian view of the world of every man against every man constrained by law and strong sovereigns to be a useful idea for authoritarian governments/militarism/corporatism/imperialism and the other things he rails against. He argues that while there is no doubt some truth to what Hobbes might have said, there is also the fact that human beings require some solidarity and "mutual aid" to use Kropotkin's words. If it were any other way then we would not exist. And further, I think he also agrees with you that there are many other people, who go unacknowledged, who campaigned for civil rights and who made it possible while only a handful of people such as Martin Luther King get the credit. If everyone was as basely selfish and miserable as you say they are then such things as civil rights and other forms of a more equalitarian society would have been impossible.

And I agree with hi.
What he does not talk about is the passivity and the responsibilities of the masses.
I suspect he does not do that as this would make him less popular
Better to give all the responsibilities to Reagan and Bush

Instead of harassing some old guy who has never heard of you to include your ideas in his books, why don't you write your own? His interest is in writing what he thinks, if you want your ideas aired it is your responsibility to put them out there, not his. Stop being lazy and do it for yourself, instead of trying to get him to do the work for you.

Go trolling somewhere else
 
Dear Prof. Chomsky,
I am a Japanese citizen

In the US the major airport is at the name of John F. Kennedy, the US President during the escalation in Vietnam and the Cuban Crysis
In Japan many companies are named "Showa " after Emperor Showa who was in charge while the Japanese troops invaded most parts of South East Asia
The Catholic Church has always fought against the scandals of children rape by simply negate them or try to whitewash them as much as possible

Very few people, if any, are asking to change the name of the US airport named after JFK, to criticize a company named "Showa" or very few Catholic are actively criticizing the members of the Church who protected the child abusers

The truth that I have never read in your books is that we, with the exception of very few people, are passive sheep, soaking up lies and not considered fit to hear the truth, probably rightly, since we are also hypocrites who 'support' causes or oppressed minorities only on condition that our support costs us nothing and does not trammel our comfortable and prosperous lives.

If I may, I would like to add that you too have probably be helped in your battles by the fact that you are a leading intellectual and world famous.
Were you not, you possibly would not have gone so far in your battles against injustice.
But there is space for only one Noam Chomsky in the world.

The real heroes are the victims, or the slight minority of the people whom are not famous but give their work and life for the others.
I am involved in activism and working for others, but I do much less than what I can do, therefore I am guilty as well.
We all are, with very few exceptions.

This is what you should write in your books sometimes, you did not write this as it it is obvious, or maybe as you did not want to upset your own readers.
I still respect you a lot, you have inspired me to do what I do for the others now, but I would respect you more if you had gone all the way telling the people the truth, that at the end they are the responsible.
The reason why the majority of the people usually do not steal, kill or rape is not because they are "good", it is because they can get what they want with less risk and trouble doing it.
People are even fascinated by murders and killings, this is why they take pleasure in looking at action movies where the main attraction is seeing other human beings suffering.
During wars, when there is less risk to be in trouble or get caught, rapes, killings and looting become the norm; and even people who do not participate in this, they do not condemn when their comrades do it.
It is very rare that one soldier condemns his comrades for whatever crime
Even worse indeed, many times the people support those very part of the system which are the ones they are themselves being screwed up by.
Take the military, people spend trillions in the military and such money go into the pockets of the big military establishment.
The US layman has nothing to gain from the war in Afghanistan, and everything to lose in giving money in the pit of the US military budget.
Still many people are fascinated by the rhetoric of "support our troops", same in Japan, same in the US.
Global stupidity anyone?

How can ignorance be an excuse in the era of internet?

Because this is where the knack of the problem is: people believe they are good, loyal to their country and to their Gods, and that the blame of everything wrong must be placed on others (the enemy, the commies, the fascists, the "other side"..)
But human beings are not usually good, most of the good things they do they would do it in order to receive something back, even if just some bit of love or gratitude.
We do not just get interested in the pain and suffering of other people they are not connected with.
And this is the knack of the problem that you would have written in your books in order to make the full picture clear
What needs to be said to them is that everyone of us deserves our part of blame and in order o do so it is necessary to show that wrong things happen because of the disinterest or the stupidity of the people and not (mainly) because of the immoral decisions of this or that leader.
If this is not said clearly, people will receive the wrong impression that leaders are the problems, while the problems stands on both leaders and the people.
This is not said clearly in your books, I fear because you do not want to upset your readers?
Many people are simply cowards, they do not want to get in trouble telling the truth to their colleagues, families and friends.
Therefore, they just stick to the official version of the propaganda and do not investigate further.
Were not you a very famous intellectual, maybe you too would have some more concerns to tell others about facts that may put you in trouble in your work and in your family life.

The reason why the things have gone better (for humankind, and much worse for the millions of other animal species on planet Earth many of them close to extinction due to human activity) is not as there has been any cultural revolution or moral progress in the last 1000 years, you just need to open your TV to see that such progress is not there
The reason why things have gone better is that stealing and killing other people has become too risky and dangerous, wars even more (especially with the invention of nuclear bombs) while most of the people already have food for them and their families, therefore little incentive to look for wars abroad.
Without the scientific progress of the last 500 years, the Geneva Conventions, the Bill of Rights and the UN Charters are not worth the paper they are written on
This is the truth that sometimes I would have liked to read in your books.

Please, do not please tell me "and you, what have you done to change all this?" as even if I did much, I have no way to prove it to you and in any case my considerations are on a general ground.

The problem lies with the people, not with the institutions
The immorality of the institutions merely reflects the immorality of the vast majority of the people

This is what should be said sometimes in your books and unexpectedly isn`t


Regards,
[my name]

So how do you be truly "good", then? That is, what could an individual person do themselves to truly be good, to replace disinterest with genuine interest, to replace stupidity with wisdom, to replace cowardice with courage, to become moral instead of immoral?

But then again... how would I know your version of good is good? With so many saying "this is good, this is not; that is good, that is not" and each one saying the exact contradiction of the other... where is truth? What should one do to really be a good human? I'm lost.
 
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Correction: The major US airport is named for Mayor William B. Hartsfield. JFK is ranked sixth.
 
Go trolling somewhere else

I'm not trolling. I'm trying to get you off your butt and make a contribution on behalf of something you obviously feel is important, a contribution that is more significant than just bitching on the internet. There are so many avenues for self-publication available now that you don't have to rely on the famous or the noteworthy to spread your ideas for you. Raise your own voice, put your ideas out there. If they have merit, people will respond.

Or is that what you are afraid of? If people do respond, that puts responsibility on you to go further and actually do something. Scary, innit?
 
I wanted to started a serious discusson, but since everyone is jerking off around writing about recipes and other silly comments, what is the point?
As feared, nobody really interested..
BTW, this morning Prof. Chomsky replied to me
 
I wanted to started a serious discusson, but since everyone is jerking off around writing about recipes and other silly comments, what is the point?
As feared, nobody really interested..
BTW, this morning Prof. Chomsky replied to me

Could you please post his response here? I'm very curious as to what his answer was.
 
I didn't read it all; I got tired of it after a third or maybe halfway through, but the problems with the letter are:

a) You provide no evidence for your conjecture that everyone is a passive sheep, and that they are guilty and hypocritical.

b) You don't seem to offer any particular practical solution. Rather you counsel despair and are annoyed that others are not doing the same. What do you hope to achieve?

c) You could have spent a bit of time making it more concise. The old duffer probably receives thousands of letters in which people pontificate at length about their undirected dislike at the way the world is. What are you expecting him to say to you back?

As it is, from what I understand, Chomsky finds the Hobbesian view of the world of every man against every man constrained by law and strong sovereigns to be a useful idea for authoritarian governments/militarism/corporatism/imperialism and the other things he rails against. He argues that while there is no doubt some truth to what Hobbes might have said, there is also the fact that human beings require some solidarity and "mutual aid" to use Kropotkin's words. If it were any other way then we would not exist. And further, I think he also agrees with you that there are many other people, who go unacknowledged, who campaigned for civil rights and who made it possible while only a handful of people such as Martin Luther King get the credit. If everyone was as basely selfish and miserable as you say they are then such things as civil rights and other forms of a more equalitarian society would have been impossible.
Given indirect use of the sheeple term, I logically MUST assume that absent any statement that he is not W. logically must be a truther.
 
I did
In the US the major airport is at the name of John F. Kennedy, the US President during the escalation in Vietnam and the Cuban Crysis
In Japan many companies are named "Showa " after Emperor Showa who was in charge while the Japanese troops invaded most parts of South East Asia
The Catholic Church has always fought against the scandals of children rape by simply negate them or try to whitewash them as much as possible

Very few people, if any, are asking to change the name of the US airport named after JFK, to criticize a company named "Showa" or very few Catholic are actively criticizing the members of the Church who protected the child abusers



Nothing.
I have no particular solution



He already replied to me several times.



And I agree with hi.
What he does not talk about is the passivity and the responsibilities of the masses.
I suspect he does not do that as this would make him less popular
Better to give all the responsibilities to Reagan and Bush



Go trolling somewhere else
A grand and noble suggestion for someone here.
 
No.
Really got sick of the attitude of people here.
You spend hours writing a serious letter about politics and wars, you carefully check every word, you write the letter to one of the most quoted intellectuals in the world and you share with people and the JREF.
And here is the comments you get:





Not one single intelligent comment

Honestly I have better ways to spend my time than entertain people here
Why don't you boil it down to a couple of comprehensible paragraphs for a start. And then you could provide a dash of the evidence that you have that supports your thesis. And then maybe some of us will take what you are saying seriously enough to address it.
 
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Could you please post his response here? I'm very curious as to what his answer was.
It would be a breach of privacy to copy and paste the actual letter, but I'd be quite interested to find out the gist of what his response is. Watanabe-san, can you post a summary of his reply?
 
No.
Really got sick of the attitude of people here.
You spend hours writing a serious letter about politics and wars, you carefully check every word, you write the letter to one of the most quoted intellectuals in the world and you share with people and the JREF.
And here is the comments you get:





Not one single intelligent comment

Honestly I have better ways to spend my time than entertain people here



I wrote some constructive criticism in my response. I thought it was too long, lacked sufficient supporting evidence and suggested answers Chomsky might give as well as asking what you hoped to achieve.

You essentially said that nothing could be done and Chomsky had already replied to you meaning that it is very difficult to understand what kind of discussion you want to have here.

Why are you involving us in a private discussion in which only one side of the private discussion is being disclosed? I think it is actually bad manners to do that.

I also think it is bad manners for people to fill up your thread with junk and I recommend that you report off-topic posts that seem to be aimed only at derailing. Put those posters on ignore if they have never provided anything useful for you as well.
 
I wrote some constructive criticism in my response. I thought it was too long, lacked sufficient supporting evidence and suggested answers Chomsky might give as well as asking what you hoped to achieve.

Yeah, you did.
But I think you were almost the only one.
People were writing Mexican recipes..
How sad.

You essentially said that nothing could be done and Chomsky had already replied to you meaning that it is very difficult to understand what kind of discussion you want to have here.

I did not say that nothing can be done.
I have said that people must do something and only few do

Why are you involving us in a private discussion in which only one side of the private discussion is being disclosed? I think it is actually bad manners to do that.

I do not think it is bad manners, as the conversation is about a general topic, not about personal issues.
But I will ask Darat about this

I also think it is bad manners for people to fill up your thread with junk and I recommend that you report off-topic posts that seem to be aimed only at derailing. Put those posters on ignore if they have never provided anything useful for you as well.

Then I would have to ignore 50% + of the people here!
I would just do not report them and ignore their comments.

It is just sad, however, that people are so jerking off and disinterested
 
No.
Really got sick of the attitude of people here.
You spend hours writing a serious letter about politics and wars, you carefully check every word, you write the letter to one of the most quoted intellectuals in the world and you share with people and the JREF.
And here is the comments you get:

Not one single intelligent comment

Honestly I have better ways to spend my time than entertain people here

I have a personal and intimate relationship with Mr. Noam Chomsky.

He has never heard of you, your email, or the Tupperware that you are selling.

Though he did ask me if you have a good recipe for smoked Unagi.
 
Then I would have to ignore 50% + of the people here!
I would just do not report them and ignore their comments.

It is just sad, however, that people are so jerking off and disinterested

Then fair enough. I can see a posters that I would stick on ignore if this was my OP and I would probably report them too.

On the other hand, others have suggested that if you don't post Chomsky's exact reply then perhaps a summary of what he said.

My own guess is that Chomsky not only wouldn't mind but almost expects his emails to find their way on to the Internet. It doesn't seem as though he's the type of person who will try to sue you for posting his emails on some forum.

I think until you do that, it is difficult to see what anyone else here can contribute.
 
I wanted to started a serious discusson, but since everyone is jerking off around writing about recipes and other silly comments, what is the point?
As feared, nobody really interested..
BTW, this morning Prof. Chomsky replied to me
Cool - and maybe 40 years or so ago, Chomsky had stuff to say, in his field - the one where he didn't seem to make it up as he went along and did not support (visibly, anyway) the bad guys (terrorist and other creepy cretins). Loathe bush and his butt buddies, but consider Chomsky, nowadays, just like them except for the sides he supports. All slime ridden mother raping **** sucking ********.
 

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