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Mutiny on Flight 613

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Passengers refuse to fly until Asians are removed

British holidaymakers staged an unprecedented mutiny - refusing to allow their flight to take off until two men they feared were terrorists were forcibly removed.

The extraordinary scenes happened after some of the 150 passengers on a Malaga-Manchester flight overheard two men of Asian appearance apparently talking Arabic.

Passengers told cabin crew they feared for their safety and demanded police action. Some stormed off the Monarch Airlines Airbus A320 minutes before it was due to leave the Costa del Sol at 3am. Others waiting for Flight ZB 613 in the departure lounge refused to board it.

The incident fuels the row over airport security following the arrest of more than 20 people allegedly planning the suicide-bombing of transatlantic jets from the UK to America. It comes amid growing demands for passenger-profiling and selective security checks.

It also raised fears that more travellers will take the law into their own hands - effectively conducting their own 'passenger profiles'.
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I suspect this was an irrational reaction to a very rational fear. I guess we should take this time to come to terms with the root causes of the radicalization of western air travelers.
 
Cylinder said:
Passengers refuse to fly until Asians are removed

I suspect this was an irrational reaction to a very rational fear.
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It was an irrational reaction to a very irrational fear.

Or perhaps better put it was an irrational reaction to a irrational understanding of the level of risk. I bet not one of these people once they got to their home airport checked the taxi they were getting into for possible common mechanical faults - which are much, much more likely to result in their death then any risk from these two people.

Cylinder said:
I guess we should take this time to come to terms with the root causes of the radicalization of western air travelers.
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Yep - which is the fact that human beings find it very difficult to understand risk and our fear reaction is normally an irrational response. It is this irrationality that makes terrorism possible.
 
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Obviously, the passengers had no confidence in the ability of the authorities to conduct effective security screening.

Next phase: mob violence. People will take only so much ********. Then they start doing things such as this. There was a case a couple of years ago in which a disruptive air passenger was forcibly subdued--and killed--by other passengers. Perhaps causing this kind of chaos is part of the terrorist strategy. It certainly serves their objectives.

Comparatively, this incident is less serious than a fan riot at a soccer match.
 
Uh, did any of these disgruntled passengers actually talk directly to the "suspects" ?
Probably not.
 
webfusion said:
Uh, did any of these disgruntled passengers actually talk directly to the "suspects" ?
Probably not.
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No need to, they "felt it in their gut." :(

note from Satan: The best way to fight irrational mob violence against innocent people is with irrational mob violence against innocent people.
 
Mephisto said:
No need to, they "felt it in their gut." :(

note from Satan: The best way to fight irrational mob violence against innocent

They told the crew they were afraid....and some of them walked off the plane. What violence?
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webfusion said:
Uh, did any of these disgruntled passengers actually talk directly to the "suspects" ?
Probably not.
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Irrational indeed.

However, if I truly believed a group of men on a plane to be terrorists, I sure as hell wouldn't go up and ask them if it were true. Well, I might after a few drinks. I think talking to the crew was the correct course of action for anyone who was concerned.

Terrorism at work.
 
One hopes the two guys involved will sue the arse right out of the airline. God, you can only imagine the laws a good lawyer might argue they've broke?

Racial discrimination, harassment, breaking contracts, emotional distress, slander etc etc.
 
demon said:
One hopes the two guys involved will sue the arse right out of the airline. God, you can only imagine the laws a good lawyer might argue they've broke?

Racial discrimination, harassment, breaking contracts, emotional distress, slander etc etc.
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Which leads to a good question. What should the airline have done? (In fact, what did they do?)

If you're going to hold them culpable, to what do you believe they are culpable of?

Other than the obvious of letting disgruntled passengers off of the plane, what course of action do you believe the airline should take? This isn't a rhetorical question. I'm honestly unsure what I would have done as the company.

For that matter, what should the pilot have done? The pilot has the authority to make a decision here that even the airline cannot overrule.

Aaron
 
Ralph said:
They told the crew they were afraid....and some of them walked off the plane. What violence?
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Oh, well they're certainly within their rights not to fly on that particular plane, nevermind. :)

P.S. What's the problem then?
 
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Absolutely sickening. I wasn't afraid to fly before but now I am in case I have to share oxygen with fools like those.
Well, this was reported with glee in the Mail on Sunday, with some charming testimony from a family who look like the foundation stone upon which Thatcherite-Blairite-Murdochite Britain has been built.
Daily Mail, Daily Express newspapers , "X Factor", "Holidays from Hell", and "Tonight With Trevor McDonald" programmes all rolled into one horrible suburban semi-detached family.
And the couple proudly pose to be photographed in a national newspaper after having behaved like pampered children.

Apologies for the rant, I know it`s not their fault. Their as much victims in a way as the two passengers who got lifted.
 
The police escorted the two Asian passemgers "suspected" of speaking Arabic off the plane. The plane was emptied, searched and the remaining passemgers reboarded and flew away.
The two who were removed were put up in a hotel and were rebooked the next day without incident.
If there were any justice, the complainants should have been denied flight on that airline and the two British citizens who were Asian should have been allowed to continue on their way,
 
brooklyn44:
"If there were any justice, the complainants should have been denied flight on that airline and the two British citizens who were Asian should have been allowed to continue on their way"

Damn straight.
 
What a bunch of complete tossers.
As Brooklyn says, it would have been funny if the plane had taken off without them and left the two Asian passengers on board speaking their sinister "Arabic"!.
To be honest I think it's a bit of an exageration to claim the UK population has joined in this hysteria, as I`ve heard a few people say when I was out and about today.
Rather a small group of morons on this flight did, but generally a lot of people are very skeptical about this so called "terror plot/plots". It's just the British press who have creamed their pants about it all, particularly the so called "quality" rags.
 
brooklyn44 said:
If there were any justice, the complainants should have been denied flight on that airline and the two British citizens who were Asian should have been allowed to continue on their way,
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Oh, that's the problem . . . well I think I can easily align myself with your idea of justice. Personally, I would feel uncomfortable flying with Inuit tribesmen who speak Swahili, but that's just me. :)
 
Mephisto:
"Oh, that's the problem . . . well I think I can easily align myself with your idea of justice. Personally, I would feel uncomfortable flying with Inuit tribesmen who speak Swahili, but that's just me."

Hey, how about gay service men form the early 70`s?
Sorry, couldn`t resist (I`ll run for cover now lol)
I`m definitely going to bed!!!
 
demon said:
One hopes the two guys involved will sue the arse right out of the airline. God, you can only imagine the laws a good lawyer might argue they've broke?

Racial discrimination, harassment, breaking contracts, emotional distress, slander etc etc.
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Right....sue the airline, when in fact the airline wasn't at fault.

:rolleyes:
 
Azure:
"Right....sue the airline, when in fact the airline wasn't at fault."

No, not if the airline was the Luftwaffe!
Do you sell 1940-1945 hmm, let`s call it "Military" Memorabilia on ebay by any chance (can`t say the "N" word with the "Z" in it you understand)
No offence meant of course...genuine question...got anything from "Boys from Brazil"?
 
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