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Morality in old Superman comics

Cainkane1

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I don't remember much about the stories I used to read in the old 10 cent comics but I do remember Supermans cape sometimes looked like angels wings and once I remember this. In a Superboy comic some humanoid aliens with antennae and weird eyes were on the ma and Pa kent farm. Mrs. Kent said Oh dear there are monsters on our land. The alien who was apparently not a bad guy corrected her by saying. "We're not monsters Mrs. kent, we're just creatures who evolved differently than you". This is one of the few things I remember from those comics. Anyone else have similar memories?
 
I don't remember much about the stories I used to read in the old 10 cent comics but I do remember Supermans cape sometimes looked like angels wings and once I remember this. In a Superboy comic some humanoid aliens with antennae and weird eyes were on the ma and Pa kent farm. Mrs. Kent said Oh dear there are monsters on our land. The alien who was apparently not a bad guy corrected her by saying. "We're not monsters Mrs. kent, we're just creatures who evolved differently than you". This is one of the few things I remember from those comics. Anyone else have similar memories?

If you look into it , morality in superman comics ranged from good, to downright horrible. I know there is a website that is actually devoted to weird crap from the superman comics, though for the life of me i cannot remember the name.

Give a check out to the history of the guy and you will be in stitches and slightly disturbed by some of the morality superman used to exhibit.
 
If you look into it , morality in superman comics ranged from good, to downright horrible. I know there is a website that is actually devoted to weird crap from the superman comics, though for the life of me i cannot remember the name.

Give a check out to the history of the guy and you will be in stitches and slightly disturbed by some of the morality superman used to exhibit.

Would it be this site:

http://www.superdickery.com/
 
... This is one of the few things I remember from those comics. Anyone else have similar memories?


I was very fond of the Superman stories which Denny O'Neil did in the early '70s.

One line which has stuck in my memory for many years (and which, coincidentally, has to do with morality) comes from the story "Planet of the Angels" in Superman # 236. In the story, Superman encounters angelic beings who tell him he is dead and that, in order to win entrance into heaven, he has to storm the gates of hell and destroy the devils dwelling there.

He sees the landscape of hell. He sees devils. It all feels real to him. He isn't used to destroying creatures -- even devils -- but these are angels telling him to do this...

Fortunately Superman comes to his senses, realizes something is wrong, and through concentrated effort is able to see through the illusion the angel-looking creatures are projecting. The "devils" are actually alien police officers, and the "angels" are escaped criminals they're trying to recapture.

But even though the landscape no longer looks like hell, and the police no longer look like devils, the beings who manipulated Superman still look like angels. Superman asks the police officers why the other illusions faded but that one didn't. The police explain to him that the winged angelic appearance isn't an illusion -- it's these beings' natural form.

Superman thinks about this, and says that's he's learned a valuable lesson:

"Evil comes in many forms. Some of them are even beautiful."
 
The main moral lesson I gleaned from these comics in the 50's was this:

Even if you have super powers, you still have to endure a crappy 9-5 job.
Even though you can, don't look through girls dresses to see the weird mystery stuff beneath.

Celibacy...same as Jesus.
 
IIRC, that site is a little misleading because most of the "ridiculous" images are pulled from intentionally silly non-canon series.

That's noted in the site's FAQ. I'm not sure about "most," though -- I think a lot of them were teaser images from "real" stories, it's just that the story inside revealed that Superman had a (supposedly) very good reason for doing what he was doing on the cover (or was being mind-controlled, or an imposter, etc.).

But yes, it's best to treat SD-ery as comic relief rather than an accurate overview of the morality of Superman comics.
 
IIRC, that site is a little misleading because most of the "ridiculous" images are pulled from intentionally silly non-canon series.

Actually it had more to do with selling comics than anything else. Mort Weisinger, the editor of Superman from about 1958-1970, did studies of why kids bought certain comics. One of the things he noticed was that if a kid picked a comic off the shelf to flip through it, that kid was much more likely to buy that comic. Hence the goal became to get the kids to pick up his comic and flip through them. Weisinger quickly hit on the idea of the puzzle cover. He would present the prospective reader with a cover showing one of the major characters acting in a way that was contrary to his normal manner--Superman acting as a total dick, for example. The hope was that this would furrow the brow of the youngster, who would then pick up the comic and (Mort was hopeful) eventually buy it.

It sounds crazy, but Weisinger sold a raft of comic books that way; his core six titles (Superman, Adventure, Action, Superboy, Lois Lane and Jimmy Olsen) were consistently in the top ten for comics sold in the 1960s.

There was some pretty strong morality shown in the Superman books; for example, it used to be canon that Superman would never tell a lie. And of course he had the prohibition against taking life.

Cainkane1, can you provide me with an estimate of when you read that particular comic? I can probably track down the specific issue.
 
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Yeah, bur Superman has a scientific reason:
See "Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex"

I'm of the old school Superman camp.
The only woman he ever loved was Lori Lemaris. She was a mermaid. She had great tits, but arguably, no vagina.
Lois Lane was a pest to him; not a love interest.

His cousin, Supergirl, was actually more powerful than he. Kudos for the old guys for being so feminist about this. She was not burdened with a crappy job, nor a secret identity. She was also immune to kryptonite. Had they been more feminist in their approach, she would have quickly rendered him obsolete.

Superman was tragically flawed and vulnerable. His life was very humiliating and awkward. Deception was his main occupation; protecting his secret.
He had very little fun. Less than Jesus.
 
His cousin, Supergirl, was actually more powerful than he. Kudos for the old guys for being so feminist about this. She was not burdened with a crappy job, nor a secret identity. She was also immune to kryptonite. Had they been more feminist in their approach, she would have quickly rendered him obsolete.

There were a couple of one-shot stories which used this as a plot device, but no, as a general principle, Supergirl was not immune to kryptonite. She did have a secret identity (Linda Lee, later Linda Lee Danvers). She did not have a job at first for the simple reason that she was a teenager and had to attend school during the day. IIRC about 1971 or so she graduated college and moved out to San Francisco, where she took a job as a TV reporter.

Superman was tragically flawed and vulnerable. His life was very humiliating and awkward. Deception was his main occupation; protecting his secret.

He had very little fun. Less than Jesus.

I don't entirely disagree with this part.
 
There was some pretty strong morality shown in the Superman books; for example, it used to be canon that Superman would never tell a lie. And of course he had the prohibition against taking life.


Glad you mentioned that. Superman's strong moral code against killing was something I admired about the character.

His code against lying, however, is another story. Essentially, Superman seemed to believe that it was all right to take part in deliberate deceptions so long as what one said, if parsed correctly, was not literally false. (And even by that standard, one has to question the veracity of some of the things he said.) Quite apart from the routine deceptions involving his secret identity, he also engaged in numerous hoaxes -- at least one a month, it seemed.

While there are elements of Superman's morality which are praiseworthy -- his code against killing, which you already mentioned, and the many admirable stands he took in Public Service Announcements (where he opposed racial discrimination, encouraged people to be welcoming of immigrants, and spoke out often about the value of public libraries) -- his take on what constituted truthfulness is one which people would be better off not emulating.

Alas, I fear that Superman's somewhat warped version of truthfulness is the one part of his morality which too many of today's politicians and pundits did take to heart.
 
There were a couple of one-shot stories which used this as a plot device, but no, as a general principle, Supergirl was not immune to kryptonite. She did have a secret identity (Linda Lee, later Linda Lee Danvers). She did not have a job at first for the simple reason that she was a teenager and had to attend school during the day. IIRC about 1971 or so she graduated college and moved out to San Francisco, where she took a job as a TV reporter.



I don't entirely disagree with this part.

My Superman lessons come from the 50's. Maybe I'm having false memory syndrome, but Supergirl, as I recall, was able to rescue Superman from a bad kryptonite trip, as needed, due to her immunity.

Crap, I wish I still had the comics to prove this, but I sold them on Ebay for 2 million bucks.

(Yes, I have some shame.)
 
Glad you mentioned that. Superman's strong moral code against killing was something I admired about the character.

His code against lying, however, is another story. Essentially, Superman seemed to believe that it was all right to take part in deliberate deceptions so long as what one said, if parsed correctly, was not literally false. (And even by that standard, one has to question the veracity of some of the things he said.) Quite apart from the routine deceptions involving his secret identity, he also engaged in numerous hoaxes -- at least one a month, it seemed.

While there are elements of Superman's morality which are praiseworthy -- his code against killing, which you already mentioned, and the many admirable stands he took in Public Service Announcements (where he opposed racial discrimination, encouraged people to be welcoming of immigrants, and spoke out often about the value of public libraries) -- his take on what constituted truthfulness is one which people would be better off not emulating.

Alas, I fear that Superman's somewhat warped version of truthfulness is the one part of his morality which too many of today's politicians and pundits did take to heart.

IIRC though,you could almost always detect a super-lie (by Clark or Supe):It was preceded by the word "er".("Er,of course not,Lois").

Alas,the worst lies are often the ones we tell ourselves.When Superman would "borrow" say a farmer's silo to trap a robot,or a giant,or a giant robot,he'd thought-bubble "I'll fix this later." But there was NEVER a scene of him replacing the silo (or the Eiffel tower or the Statue of Liberty's torch) and I confess I often wondered if he actually did.
 
My Superman lessons come from the 50's. Maybe I'm having false memory syndrome, but Supergirl, as I recall, was able to rescue Superman from a bad kryptonite trip, as needed, due to her immunity.


No, Brainster is correct on this. Supergirl, being from Krypton, had the same vulnerability to Kryptonite -- red, green, and gold -- as Superman, Krypto, and all other Kryptonians.

There was a try-out run for Supergirl in Superman # 123, where Jimmy Olsen is granted 3 wishes. One wish is to create a Supergirl to be Superman's companion. When Superman winds up in a Kryptonite death trap, she flies in to save him, telling him she's immune because she's magic rather than Kryptonian... but she's lying, and actually has suffered a fatal exposure, so Jimmy wishes her back out of existence.

One story you may be thinking of is "Supergirl's Greatest Victory", from Action Comics 262 (her 11th appearance there), in which she tries to make herself immune to Kryptonite (and appears to succeed -- but not really). As you can see by the cover, Superman is surprised by this: ">Gasp<! I'm too weak to even crawl away from this Kryptonite meteor. But Supergirl still has her super-strength. How did she gain immunity?" Strictly a one-issue thing.

There were a number of times when Supergirl acquired immunity, but always briefly and temporarily. An early instance occurred during the long serial in which Supergirl lost her powers, was adopted, regained her powers, and was allowed to introduce herself to the world. (See Action 278-285). Prior to that, Superman had required her to stay in the orphanage and keep her super-identity a secret, both because he felt she needed to learn how to use her powers before she announced her existence and because he felt she'd be more useful as his secret emergency weapon.) Her powers had been stolen by a Kandorian scientist, Lesla-Lar, who secretly replaced Supergirl on earth; they were restored by Mr. Mxyzptlk, who also gave her immunity to Kryptonite (since he felt making her more powerful than Superman would be a great joke). That occurred in late '61 /early '62 and may be what you're remembering.

But the immunity only lasted a couple of months. As soon as Mxy returned to his home dimension, the effects of his magic wear off -- so her magically-given powers, including the K-immunity vanished. (But, during the time she had the magic powers, she was able to throw off the effects of Lesla-Lar's ray which had stolen her powers; so when the magic powers wore off, she had her real powers again.)

(She became immune to Kryptonite again in the early 1970s as part of a continuity-muddled revamp -- but she also became a lot less powerful than Superman then, as her powers came and went unpredictably, so that's probably not what you're thinking about.)

Her Super-cat Streaky was invulnerable to Kryptonite, though. He didn't come from Krypton, so had no natural vulnerability to it. Perhaps that's who you're thinking of?

(He got his powers from exposure to X-Kryptonite -- which was green Kryptonite Supergirl had experimented on in an unsuccessful effort to find a way to overcome her and Superman's vulnerability to it. If you look at the scenes in which she does her experiments, she had to use giant tongs, etc., in order to keep a safe distance from the Kryptonite.

Crap, I wish I still had the comics to prove this, but I sold them on Ebay for 2 million bucks.


You're in luck! You can get all those stories for $100 if you want them in great shape, and under $20 if you just want good reading.

The early Supergirl stories are reprinted in DC's Supergirl archives (you'll need the first 2 volumes, at $50 each). These are hardcover books with good quality color reprints-- about 200 pages of story reprinted per volume.

A less expensive way to get these stories is DC's Showcase series, which typically reprint about 500 pages of stories per volume; the Supergirl volume lists for $17 and reprints every Supergirl story from 1958 through 1961.
 
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n. When Superman winds up in a Kryptonite death trap, she flies in to save him, telling him she's immune because she's magic rather than Kryptonian... but she's lying, and actually has suffered a fatal exposure, so Jimmy wishes her back out of existence.

So he magically wishes her out of existence instead of wishing that she were not suffering the soon-to-be-fatal effects of the kryptonite. Superdickery, indeed.
 
One I remember from the 70's is when a young Clark Kent became a priest instead of a reporter and showed his super powers to the altar boys.
 
Glad you mentioned that. Superman's strong moral code against killing was something I admired about the character.

His code against lying, however, is another story. Essentially, Superman seemed to believe that it was all right to take part in deliberate deceptions so long as what one said, if parsed correctly, was not literally false. (And even by that standard, one has to question the veracity of some of the things he said.) Quite apart from the routine deceptions involving his secret identity, he also engaged in numerous hoaxes -- at least one a month, it seemed.

While there are elements of Superman's morality which are praiseworthy -- his code against killing, which you already mentioned, and the many admirable stands he took in Public Service Announcements (where he opposed racial discrimination, encouraged people to be welcoming of immigrants, and spoke out often about the value of public libraries) -- his take on what constituted truthfulness is one which people would be better off not emulating.

Alas, I fear that Superman's somewhat warped version of truthfulness is the one part of his morality which too many of today's politicians and pundits did take to heart.

This is true enough, although what I took away as a kid from those stories was that Superman didn't lie, not that he lied by omission. And the hoaxes were generally in service to a good cause (to fool an alien or a criminal), although occasionally it was to teach Lois or Jimmy "a lesson".
 
So he magically wishes her out of existence instead of wishing that she were not suffering the soon-to-be-fatal effects of the kryptonite. Superdickery, indeed.

Well, the fact that she was not really alive was kind of the "get out of killing her free" card; see also the first Bizarro story.
 

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