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MMR study withdrawn

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Details are sketchy, since this is something I just heard on the radio, and I can't find an online source yet. But it seems that 10 of the 12 authors of the paper which sparked the MMR controversy have now formally withdrawn their conclusions. More information as I can find it.
 
Zilch on google news as well.
 
Here's a link

So this "respected" scientist put a great many children at risk so that he could make money off of a lawsuit. There are scarcely epithets vile enough to describe Wakefield.
 
Paul C. Anagnostopoulos said:
Kudos to those authors who had the guts to withdraw the article.
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Was it guts, or just concern for their own careers? Guts would have been to withdraw their names before Wakefield was tainted by scandal, based on the results of further research.

However, it is no great shame to be proven wrong. It is only shameful to cling to your conclusions after they have been proven wrong. Many, if not most great scientists have a few papers which they freely admit reached erroneous conclusions. Wakefield would not do so because it would have interfered with his second income source.
 
Tricky said:

Was it guts, or just concern for their own careers? Guts would have been to withdraw their names before Wakefield was tainted by scandal, based on the results of further research
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To be fair, one of the authors wrote to the Lancet last year repudiating any link between MMR and autism.
 
Martin said:
BBC Scotland repeated it again just now.
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Still zip on the web site, and I was listening to Lesley Riddoch up till 2 o'clock and didn't hear it. Somebody ribbiting on about the Automobile Association and breakdowns, Newsdrive....

YES! 5 pm headline has just confirmed it.

Good.

Rolfe.
 
And thus science triumphs in the end, as it always does. (Of course, "the end" is a variable time...)

Let's see how long it takes credulous parents to generate some new stupid belief. I give it two months, tops.
 
They were pressured into by drug compaines.

The paper has still never been refuted

Wakefield is always right

This still does nt answer the questions raised by the study

It was peer pressure that made them do this

The work has been replicated by other labs

Wakefied has got more evidence to back up his claims
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These varations of these and others will be appearing on boards all over the net shortly.
 
Wrath said:
Let's see how long it takes credulous parents to generate some new stupid belief. I give it two months, tops.
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Regarding autism? Two months? You waaaaaaay overestimate, my friend.

~~ Paul
 
I suppose we could haggle over what stupid ideas would be "new" and which were just old stupid ideas with a new hat.
 
we consider now is the appropriate time that we should together formally retract the interpretation placed upon these findings in the paper.
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Weee, formally! Damage has been done, so what now. I'll dig up some reactions from the woos. Those are always fun.

So much noise from them when Wakefield was flying under the radar, but so much silence and quiet grumbling when he is finally zinged big time (about frickin time big time).

They'll all still quote wakefield, and he will just be their little martyr that was under peer pressure/whatever. Poor Wakefield.

Thing that is most outrageous is that the schmuck wants an apology and be vindicated. J@ck@ss.


http://www.awares.org/pkgs/news/news.asp?showItemID=386&board=&bbcode=&profileCode=&section=


In a letter sent on February 27 to Dr Horton, Dr Wakefield's lawyers have, however, rejected the claims against him and demanded a full apology.
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What a shameful loser.
 
If I remember the original article correctly (which is not a sure thing, I assure you), he found lymphoid hyperplasia in the intestines of autistic children and not in the control group. Again, if I remember correctly, he subsequently found measles immunoreactive material in the lymphoid hyperplasia. He then made the rather large and incautious leap to conclude
that autism was caused by the measles vaccine, despite:

1. Not having shown that the immunoreactive material was, indeed, the measles virus and not merely a cross-reacting protein.
2. Not having shown that the measles proteins (see #1) were from the vaccine strain (a difficult thing to do under the best circumstances).
3. Not having shown a causal relationship in any other way than finding measles proteins in the gut of autistic children (after all, it could be that whatever causes autism also makes children prone to chronic measles infection OR generates a protein that cross-reacts with measles antibodies).

Now, he has published other papers in which he asserts that he has settled (1) and (2), but the third issue still has not been addressed, to my
knowledge.

What I would like to see is more attention paid to Dr. Wakefield's
conclusions and less to the details of his financial dealings...
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I can forward anyone the email I got this from if anyone wants to view the source.
Eos
 
Tricky said:
Here's a link

So this "respected" scientist put a great many children at risk so that he could make money off of a lawsuit. There are scarcely epithets vile enough to describe Wakefield.
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You said it.

There are entire nations where the official government line is that these vaccines are bad, all spawned by this nonsense driven by what are ultimately greedy and truly murderous lawyers. I'm with Bill Hicks on this one, "I'll bet you guys sleep like a f*ckin' baby. 'Yeah, we just made arsenic a children's food additive. G'nite, honey!'."
 
Disgusting. Reminds you of "scientific" studies in the past that were conducted to prove that caucasian brains were bigger by packing, then measuring, the volume of pellets shoved through the foramina magna of skulls. The only valid way to have done the studies is to have had randomized the skulls and used blinded technicians to do the measuring work. Instead, one can imagine the researcher tamping down pellets into the skulls he knew were Caucasian and discarding results from larger non-Caucasian skulls.

This Wakefield character should have the dirty money he received surgically inserted into his bladder.
 
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