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Miracle Mineral Supplement

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I had a search for threads on this disgusting idea, but it doesn't seem to have been discussed here previously.

Even worse, searches for it return no pages debunking the absurd premise behind the fraudulent compounds, nor the idiotic pseudoscience which they claim works, so a thread on here will rank pretty well.

Miracle Mineral Supplement claims to help all sorts of things, from colds to cancer, and while I haven't spent much time scouting claims on the US home site, the NZ site is rash enough to state:

Some Lying Scumbag said:
It can assist the immune system in combating problems as simple as a common cold; or as deadly as cancer and AIDS.
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Here

Fortunately, that claim appears to be illegal in this country and I've laid a complaint with the appropriate authority today.

Please help pile faeces onto this disgusting piece of propaganda.

Predictably, the miraculous properties of this wonderful stuff were discovered not by research scientists, not by doctors, not even by someone remotely connected with the medical industry, but an engineer.

A mining engineer...
 
The problem is the weasel word "can".

Maybe it can. Maybe it can fuel the shuttle into low Earth orbit. Maybe it can make some lying scumbag a fortune.

Ever read a tale by H.G.Wells, called "Tono Bungay"?

Anyway- what's wrong with mining engineers?


So how do you plan to pile faeces?
 
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Soapy Sam said:
The problem is the weasel word "can".

Maybe it can. Maybe it can fuel the shuttle into low Earth orbit. Maybe it can make some lying scumbag a fortune.
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Unfortunately, that won't work, because to say it "can" in this context, they'd have to offer proof.

Soapy Sam said:
Ever read a tale by H.G.Wells, called "Tono Bungay"?
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As a matter of fact, I even own a copy!

Soapy Sam said:
Anyway- what's wrong with mining engineers?
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Nothing at all, but if I'm sick, I'll probably go to a doctor. If I'm about to dig a gold mine, I'll ask a mining engineer.

Soapy Sam said:
So how do you plan to pile faeces?
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Usual way; public humiliation, attacking them, using the law to stop their fraud... A punch in the face if I thought it would work.
 
Soapy Sam said:
There's certainly a lot of it out there.
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Sure as hell is, which is why I'm a little disappointed there aren't people attacking this stuff. Sylivia Browne's all very well, but she's not actively killing people, as far as I know.

Soapy Sam said:
Seems to boil down to suggesting people drink a dilute bleach.
As a water purifier it may have some merit. I can't help thinking any health authority would react strongly to using it as a dietary supplement.
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I wonder if it turns your dung white?
 
Mine's white to start with.
It's 'cos I'm pure in thought and deed.
 
I'd rather drink alcohol than bleach. harumph. Might have some merit if we had to worry about harmful microbes in our water.

Note: If you notice diarrhea, or even vomiting that is not necessarily a bad sign. The body is simply throwing off toxins and cleaning itself out. Some people say they feel much better after having diarrhea. You do not have to take any medicine for it as it will go away as fast as it came. It will not last. It is not caused by a bacteria or virus. When the "poison" is gone, the diarrhea is gone.:boggled:
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:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Typical. What toxins, hmmmmmm????????
What toxins can be flushed by this stuff and why? Course, they never say. Chlorine dioxide? It will run through the digestive tract. So what? Unless you need to kill all of your digestive tract microbes, then there's no point.

http://www.americanchemistry.com/s_chlorine/science_sec.asp?CID=1265&DID=4745&CTYPEID=113

It would be better to put it into unchlorinated drinking water, and then let it sit for a while before drinking it. If you kill everything in your system, then you'll leave yourself open to getting more harmful microbes taking their place. You'll also leave yourself open to digestive problems until you get friendly bacteria and fungal levels back up.

http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/mole00/mole00129.htm

ooooo, another forum breaks this down nicely:

4. False statement- the CLO2 deposits onto stomach walls where it enters the body like other nutrients--well first off nutrients leave the gut via small intestines NOT the stomach, secondly the acids in the stomach would react with the CLO2 anyway.and make those SALTS long before it leaves the stomach--add HCL to your solutions and see what happens! even they say to NOT add Vit c- ascorbic ACID for that reason
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http://www.mdjunction.com/forums/ly...e-treatments/85351-mms-based-upon-bad-science

Gotta love it when someone has already done the work :D
 
I was just watching NBC Nightly News and they had a spot about "The search for the magic pill." Dr. Robert Bazell concluded with: "I have written before about the futility of the ongoing effort to test dietary supplements. . . Everyone wants the pill that will replace diet and exercise. But it seems unlikely to ever happen." How refreshing for the unwashed masses to get a healthy dose of skepticism via mainstream media. Hooray for Dr. Bazell !
 
In a similar vein, I heard an interview with a representative of an alcohol abuse support group on BBC radio Scotland yesterday. Asked about a recent announcement of a drug to end alcoholism and people's individual genetic susceptibility to alcohol, he replied that while such susceptibility may exist, the prime cause of alcohol related problems in Scotland is the increased social acceptance that it's OK to drink far too much- and that what's required is not another magic bullet, but a sane approach to the use of alcohol.

Well said, that man.


Chlorine dioxide is used as an antibacterial agent in the food industry. Chicken and other carcases are treated with it these days.

Used in places with a dirty water supply, this stuff may have a use in water purification. So would small amounts of Chlorox, which probably sells for less.
 
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Just an update for anyone interested, this crowd has shot itself in the foot - I received a letter yesterday advising that the Health & Disability Commissioner is about to prosecute the advertisers/distributors for false advertising!

One win in the war on alt-med.

I'll take it!
 
eeep.

Not a war on "alt med", a war on nonsense. Um. But I'm trying to think of some kind of alt med that is not nonsense... eep. okay, erm. Nevermind. I really don't know how to be "PC" about this. ack.
 
The Atheist said:
Predictably, the miraculous properties of this wonderful stuff were discovered not by research scientists, not by doctors, not even by someone remotely connected with the medical industry, but an engineer.

A mining engineer...
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I've never been able to understand why people actually consider this kind of thing a desirable quality. When Airborne came out in the US, a major aspect of the advertising was that it had not been created by a doctor, but by a schoolteacher (a 2nd grade schoolteacher at that) with no medical experience at all. The fact that she had absolutely no medical education or experience somehow made her more qualified to prescribe medication for a common illness than someone with many years of education and experience in the medical field.

What is the logic behind that? It boggles the mind. That's like saying that if you have a problem with your car, you should take it to a bank teller or pastry chef, instead of an auto mechanic; or if your pipes are leaking, forget the plumber and call in an advertising copywriter or law office receptionist.
 
Main stream treatment for cancer is hopeless, all the doctors an the kings men can't put Hump----so may as well try other things. "Only a mining engineer" A statement like that is a form of white collar racism. I have a friend using the stuff for cancer so far so good.
 
Old Bob said:
Main stream treatment for cancer is hopeless, all the doctors an the kings men can't put Hump----so may as well try other things.
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Yeah, as long as someone can make a quick buck off the misfortunes of others, who cares about morals or ethics, right?
 
Old Bob said:
Main stream treatment for cancer is hopeless, all the doctors an the kings men can't put Hump----so may as well try other things. "Only a mining engineer" A statement like that is a form of white collar racism. I have a friend using the stuff for cancer so far so good.
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I strongly suggest your friend makes sure his oncologist and any other doctors he has know what alternative 'meds' he is taking.

I'm really hoping he also has an oncologist.
 
Just so you know, Old Bob is a contrarian or troll who says he believes in all sorts of things.

I second Cavemonster's hope that Bob's pal has a real doctor.
 
Stuff like this is why at times I wish I did believe in Hell so that the people who exploit cancer patients to sell useless crap will go to the hottest part of it.
And this means you in particular, Kevin Trudeau.
 
The Atheist said:
Sure as hell is, which is why I'm a little disappointed there aren't people attacking this stuff. Sylivia Browne's all very well, but she's not actively killing people, as far as I know.
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Talk about killing people, check this one out:

http://ivymed.us/venom-x/index.html

There is only one treatment, worldwide, approved for snakebite envenomation and that's antivenom. Many ethnic remedies abound but these mostly occur in India, Africa and
China where antivenom isn't always available. Now along comes what appears to be a
U.S. company with some miracle stuff that claims to cure snakebite.
 
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