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Mindhacking without dogma?

saizai

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[xposted from my blog. Dunno if it really fits in R&P, but I guess it's the closest one.]

Are there any books that cover meditation and self-editing techniques, but without a bunch of unsupported woo or religious dogma?

I find it fairly sad / annoying that it's so bound up with both - either the utter bull$#!7 (sorry, "unproven and unsupported speculation") about crystals and whatnot, or the clearly religious dogma about past lives, rebirth, karma, Buddha, God / 'holy spirit', etc.

For that matter, I find that most things that are attributed to "ki" or equivalents seem to fail the Ockham test; it's really unnecessary to postulate such a thing, since you can explain all related phenomena as either unsupported / confabulatory, synaesthesis of subtle (5-sense) perceptions like heat and smell, or various known physiological effects.

The problem here is that almost everyone conflates the real / supported / core elements and the unreal / unsupported / dogmatic ones, and:
a) people who are logical, or who don't want to be enmeshed in various religious beliefs that may conflict with their existing ones, find meditation and related techniques repulsive; and
b) people who aren't very logical, and learn meditation, make huge false attributions, are easily cult-ified, and easily springboard from the real to the unreal
... and without separating what's true from what's false, neither side can make good, convincing, or accurate arguments.

So I wonder if people have actually tried to write a clear, well-supported, non-dogmatic, non-single-technique (e.g. TM...), non-indoctrinating (e.g. 'the Holy Guy sayz...') book on the subject? Anyone tried and succeeded?

If not, maybe I should try someday.... flooded market, though, so it'd have to be seriously damn good to succeed. Not sure I could pull that off.
 
Most anything that provides techniques covering the ground you are interested in is going to use religious language to some extent. Metaphor and images will abound, as they are integral to many techniques.

But you don't have to take them literally or buy into a metaphysic or theology.
 

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