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Milk, it really does do a body good

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Sorry, I heard about this on a podcast and I'm not sure where the original study is but apparently it was a meta-analysis. But what it found was that drinking milk was actually associated with lower, not higher rates of obesity in children, for example. None of the studies found it associated with any particular negative health outcome.

Here is an article I found by googling on my mobile phone but I'm not sure what the original study is:

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/may/13/no-whey-milk-cheese-dairy-study
 
I'm not surprised..

Milk costs a lot more that the colored sugar water that does contribute to childhood obesity..

Were children consuming more milk 50 - 60 years ago, when childhood obesity was not the problem it is today?
 
Skeptical Greg said:
I'm not surprised..

Milk costs a lot more that the colored sugar water that does contribute to childhood obesity..

Were children consuming more milk 50 - 60 years ago, when childhood obesity was not the problem it is today?
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I was. I got one coca cola a week, and milk every day. I was skinny as a rail until I was about 25.
 
Skeptical Greg said:
I'm not surprised..

Milk costs a lot more that the colored sugar water that does contribute to childhood obesity..

Were children consuming more milk 50 - 60 years ago, when childhood obesity was not the problem it is today?
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Just checked local supermarket prices. Milk 4 pints (bloody heathens here) is £1, so about 44p a litre. Coke, 1.75l for £1.70, about 97p per litre.

So milk might not actually cost a lot more.
 
fagin said:
Just checked local supermarket prices. Milk 4 pints (bloody heathens here) is £1, so about 44p a litre. Coke, 1.75l for £1.70, about 97p per litre.

So milk might not actually cost a lot more.
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Here in Central NC milk is about $3.40/gallon, or about 2.65 cents/ounce. A two litre bottle of Coke is $1.79, so also about 2.65 cents/oz.

That is the lowest the milk price has been in several years, and it rarely goes on sale (legal reasons, I think). The price for Coke is the standard list price, but you can almost always find it on sale for 30 or 40% less. So, in practice, its nearly always materially cheaper.

Plus - needs no refrigeration; doesn't go bad.

I don't buy either - I'm a bourbon kind of guy. ;)
 
When I was a kid, if I wanted a drink it was milk or water. I used to drink litres of the stuff. I don't remember there ever being any soft drinks in the house at all. This was mostly in the 80's though.

As a lousy case study, I didn't end up overweight (So that totally proves it, obviously...)
 
We've got a store in our area that sells milk for 99 cents a gallon. I think they bought controlling interest in a dairy for competitive reasons. Only certain locations are that cheap though. The others are around $1.99 / gallon.

We go through at least five gallons of milk a week at our house.
 
tyr_13 said:
It's usually between $1.10 to $2.30 a gallon here, normally at the middle $1.90 right now.

Why? Because I live in western New York around dairy farms. Driving ten miles south into PA spikes the price by a dollar or more.
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Huh. I wonder if PA has its own price controls that outstrip the federal orders. I know California does. I live, literally, next door to a dairy farm and the road that farm is on is named "Dairyland" because over ten miles it courses through 5 dairy farms (or, one-time dairy farms. Some have shuttered as younger generations decided farming wasn't cool. Down to two active farms on the road, now). Hasn't ever made my milk price any better than folks elsewhere in the state, tho.

Except back in the day when we used to buy unpasteurized that sometimes smelled of spring onions.
 
madurobob said:
Huh. I wonder if PA has its own price controls that outstrip the federal orders. I know California does. I live, literally, next door to a dairy farm and the road that farm is on is named "Dairyland" because over ten miles it courses through 5 dairy farms (or, one-time dairy farms. Some have shuttered as younger generations decided farming wasn't cool. Down to two active farms on the road, now). Hasn't ever made my milk price any better than folks elsewhere in the state, tho.

Except back in the day when we used to buy unpasteurized that sometimes smelled of spring onions.
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Possibly. I know New York has price controls for milk, but I was told it was to keep the price up, not down. Perhaps PA has even stronger protections on it.
 
fagin said:
Just checked local supermarket prices. Milk 4 pints (bloody heathens here) is £1, so about 44p a litre. Coke, 1.75l for £1.70, about 97p per litre.

So milk might not actually cost a lot more.
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I wasn't really talking about branded soft drinks.

In our supermarkets here ( USA ) there are these gallon jugs of
Kool-Aid like drinks. I'll have to check the price, but I'm guessing
$1.99 or less. I'll see 3 or 4 of them in a cart, along with a gallon
of milk ( maybe) ...
 
tyr_13 said:
Possibly. I know New York has price controls for milk, but I was told it was to keep the price up, not down. Perhaps PA has even stronger protections on it.
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Yup - thats what the federal program does, as well. The idea is to keep the price stable and relatively high, to avoid too much price volatility and to help make dairy farming sustainable, if not profitable.

I see PA has a "Milk Marketing Board" that fixes prices, within a range, and allows volume discounting for wholesale pricing.
 
I suppose the culprit of bad health in milk is the staurated fats. Yet if you look you can find studies done that do not show any health detriment to Stearic Acid, that sat fat in animal fats. And the people who use coconut out,, 87% sat fats, don't show health probe either.

The only real bad fat is trans fats, in hydrogenated vegetable oil. It used to be 30%, during the Heart Attack Epidemic of the 50s. Now it's down below 10%. Those labels that say "ZERO grams trans fats" have less than 1/2 gram/serving, rounded down, with 5 grams total fats. So, 10% trans fats. And they say ZERO.

And all the diet studies lump hydrogenated veggie oil in with saturated fats. Otherwise we would still be eating lard, and veggie oils would be the ones that are the devils won poison.

And chain lengths are important too. Dairy fat has short chain oils, doen to Buteric Acid, 4 carbons long. Easy to burn, and are transported without needing cholesterol to do so. Them as the carbon links are burned off, it leaves a higher percent of ketones. Which are an excellent alternate fuel source. 1 ketone to 4 carbons, vs 1 to 18 for those veggie oils with monounsaturated fat. And coconut oil also has lots of medium chain fats too.

No corn oil, no Crisco in my house. Coconut oil, and home rendered beef fat. Cheap, because none ever goes rancid. Veggie oils turn into varnish in no time.
 
Puppycow said:
Sorry, I heard about this on a podcast and I'm not sure where the original study is but apparently it was a meta-analysis. But what it found was that drinking milk was actually associated with lower, not higher rates of obesity in children, for example. None of the studies found it associated with any particular negative health outcome.

Here is an article I found by googling on my mobile phone but I'm not sure what the original study is:

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/may/13/no-whey-milk-cheese-dairy-study
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First:
(...and which was part-funded by three pro-dairy groups, Global Dairy Platform, Dairy Research Institute and Dairy Australia, though they had no influence over it)
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That's bull because the sponsors would have specifically directed which health outcomes to study.

Hormones in milk (natural hormones, not considering human growth hormone) may be associated with acne and breast cancer.

Then the reporter discusses how fat he was as a kid consuming milk fat in various forms. If the study controlled for obesity, then found that regardless of the cause you were obese, your cardiovascular risk was equal, that does not exonerate milk.
 
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