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Is there any scientific proof that shows that meat is horrible on the body if not eaten in excess?

I am looking to complete an arguement with my mother who is a vegan because she don't like hurting animals but trys to persuade me on a constant basis to convert to her veganism for health reasons. She is genuinely concerned for my health so I am not angry I just believe she is slightly misinformed.

I know the arguement should be as simple as "prove it" but I am dealing with my mother here and I would like to inform her if I could or appologize to her if I am horrendously wrong. Sifting through google its hard to figure out which is true which is not and which has been proven using a sound scientific method.

I am simply in hopes that someone here has had a similar experience and can lead me in the right directions.

Oh and she hates bacon and BBQ'd food because it will most (notice most written there and not might) likely give you cancer.......

I need help!!!!!!
 
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Check out the Wikipedia. Here is an article on eating meat. There is a special section about the health concerns of eating meat - including all the things it has in it that are important to health. Also there is an article on vegetarianism and this link should jump you to the part of the article that has the main critcisms of vegetarianism.

Personally I find it easier to stay healthy by eating moderate amounts of meat, but there are pros and cons for both systems. In the end I think it is an individual choice, since not everyone feels the same about it or reacts to the foods the same way.
 
It's a very personal choice, your mother should know that.

On a personal level, I was a vegetarian for about 4 years and my weight dropped to about 6.5 stone. My doctor ordered me to start eating meat or face the consequences. Now I eat red meat probably once a week, and chicken or fish pretty frequently, and that's an excellent balance for me.

It's possible to be very unhealthy with too little meat if you don't eat right, and it's possible to be very unhealthy with too much meat for the same reason. It comes down to what foods you enjoy and if you like meat, and therfore whether the sacrifice is worth it for you. If you are a picky eater or dislike, say, pulses, then you probably won't fare well as a vegan.

You should realise that there is nothing inherently bad or unhealthy about meat as part of a balanced diet.
 
No help is available. Were it not your mother, logic might pervail. It is your mother, it won't.

Eat what she serves.
 
I don't live with her.....
Infact she lives a half a country away. It is just the topic of discussion more often than not.

But ya when I visit I eat what she serves but after about 2 days I bring Arby's along with me to eat with what she makes out of sheer craving of meat. She allows it but I can see the tears in her eyes building up much like a devout fundy Christian mother would tear up over finding out her oldest child is atheist or gay.
 
No help is available. Were it not your mother, logic might pervail. It is your mother, it wont.
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Tough break though - like an extreme form of "eat your brussel sprouts".
 
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I used to be on the extreme opposite - a meat-heavy low-carb lifestyle, for over two years. I never had any health problems, and got quite trim eating my favorite steak dishes loaded with spices, sour cream, cream cheese, three types of other cheese, and vegetables, eating tuna fish for lunch and snapper at dinner on occasions - but it isn't for everyone.

1) After half a week of eating only meat, a metabolic condition called lipolysis, which has noticable side-effects, occurs, starting with the onset of a headache, then quickly tapers off. Many people enjoy this state, as you never encounter a chemical crapshoot of sugars, carbs, and fats that cause fatigue, discomfort, and mind fog. Assuming you eat well, you feel the same all the time - clear, balanced, and with a regulatable energy level.

2) Unlike a carbohydrate rich diet, you gain energy immediately upon eating - and lose it rapidly upon not eating for long periods.

3) If you consume more than 25 grams of carbohydrate one day, you'll have to re-enter lipolysis again, which means another light 12 hour headache.

4) You generally drop a lot of weight without much muscle mass lost, and combined with exercise, this can occur very, very rapidly.

5) It's only for people who enjoy a carnivorous, rich and organic lifestyle. For most, the psychological load will be too unpleasant.
 
I am a vegan except I eat eggs and milk and also fish and then of course I eat some shellfish and crustaceans and I also eat some chicken, and beef and pork and come to think of it just about anything. As far as I know the mostly vegetable with small amount of meat eater has not been shown to be bad.
 
I'm vegan. The homo sapiens is clearly adapated to an omivourous diet - just look at the dentition, digestive system, and for that matter, behaviour of the animal. To say that meat is bad for us in sensible quantities does not appear to be supported by the facts.
 
Ceritus said:
Is there any scientific proof that shows that meat is horrible on the body if not eaten in excess?
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It is personal choice and meat is delicious. I have meat for breakfast, meat for lunch, meat for dinner and chocolate cake plus a glass of milk for supper for most weekdays.
 
tkingdoll said:
... my weight dropped to about 6.5 stone...
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I weigh only one stone, but it is a quite heavy stone. ;) Nice way of giving your weight without anybody outside the UK understanding what you are talking about... Until now! The google calculator is always at hand. Google: "6.5 stone in kg" (or substitute kg with your favourite archaic weight unit). After playing around with that for a while (or just reading this thread), you might want to try some of the recipies found at the end of threads that degenerate into pure stupidity. There you will come across all kinds of units. What I quickly end up asking myself is usually: How big is a <bleep> cup, anyway? I have many cups and they vary in size by about a factor of three. Well, google knows everything: "1 cup in ml". :)

Disclaimer:
In case some of the finer points are lost in translation: I am NOT making fun of tkingdoll's weight or appearance in any way. This is just a small crusade for French world domination through the use of SI units. :D
 
Ririon said:
I weigh only one stone, but it is a quite heavy stone. ;) Nice way of giving your weight without anybody outside the UK understanding what you are talking about... Until now! The google calculator is always at hand. Google: "6.5 stone in kg" (or substitute kg with your favourite archaic weight unit). After playing around with that for a while (or just reading this thread), you might want to try some of the recipies found at the end of threads that degenerate into pure stupidity. There you will come across all kinds of units. What I quickly end up asking myself is usually: How big is a <bleep> cup, anyway? I have many cups and they vary in size by about a factor of three. Well, google knows everything: "1 cup in ml". :)

Disclaimer:
In case some of the finer points are lost in translation: I am NOT making fun of tkingdoll's weight or appearance in any way. This is just a small crusade for French world domination through the use of SI units. :D
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I can't understand why the UK clings to stones either (6.5 is horribly thin, btw, I'm about 8.5 stone now and still thin), but we do. I would have used kg but I have no idea what I weigh in those and I couldn't be bothered to convert 'em. It's amazing how thin I stay considering how lazy I am.
 
tkingdoll said:
I can't understand why the UK clings to stones either (6.5 is horribly thin, btw, I'm about 8.5 stone now and still thin), but we do. I would have used kg but I have no idea what I weigh in those and I couldn't be bothered to convert 'em. It's amazing how thin I stay considering how lazy I am.
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Link for the lazy. :)

It seems 1 stone is 14 pounds... 14! :rolleyes:
 
Dogdoctor said:
I am a vegan except I eat eggs and milk and also fish and then of course I eat some shellfish and crustaceans and I also eat some chicken, and beef and pork and come to think of it just about anything. As far as I know the mostly vegetable with small amount of meat eater has not been shown to be bad.
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I have a friend who actually considers herself a vegetarian, but eats fish and chicken. I've long given up on trying to explain to her whats wrong with her reasoning.
 
elaine said:
I have a friend who actually considers herself a vegetarian, but eats fish and chicken. I've long given up on trying to explain to her whats wrong with her reasoning.
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S'not reasoning. That was the most common definition of "vegetarian" up until about the 1950s.
 
tkingdoll said:
Pounds and kg mean nothing to me, I have no frame of reference for them. I need some sort of real-life comparison. How many human heads is 14 pounds?
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Well, estimates for the weight of a human head seem to vary, but the figure seems to be around 2 kilos, so I'd guess around 3 heads to the kilo. YMMV.

Cheers,
Rat.
 
Ceritus said:
I am looking to complete an arguement with my mother who is a vegan because she don't like hurting animals but trys to persuade me on a constant basis to convert to her veganism for health reasons. She is genuinely concerned for my health so I am not angry I just believe she is slightly misinformed.
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Have you asked her how she eats things that aren't meat without harming animals? Seems completely illogical.

Vegetarians aren't real people.
 
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Well, estimates for the weight of a human head seem to vary, but the figure seems to be around 2 kilos, so I'd guess around 3 heads to the kilo. YMMV.
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Interesting Ian heads cost more, because it takes so many to make a pound.
 
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