Meanwhile in Iran...

[Pardalis]

While the world is concentrated on Gaza and the unfortunate death of nine people on the Mavi Marmara ship, Iran is planning mass executions on the anniversary of last year's riots.

http://missionfreeiran.wordpress.com/2010/06/06/june-executions/

At the same time, reliable human rights organization RAHANA (EN | FA) reports that 26 people in Gezelhasar prison in Karaj, who have been charged with “drug-related offenses,” have just been moved to solitary confinement in preparation for their imminent execution.

Apparently, 26 in total will be executed, 13 already have been.

What is the UN's Humans Right Council doing? Where is the world's condemnation?

 

[Jono]

And some people wonder why I'm not keen on importing city-large segments of this cultural populus each year to little ol' Sweden? The more the merrier some say, hmm...

I remember, which must've been some nine years ago at least, I sent money to help with the funds for the legal defence or something for a woman who was accused of adultery. I never learned what became of it, might've been a scam for the 'blue-eyed' swedes. In any case, their criminal system isn't abhorrent at all, it's just medieval (as so much else, value'wise, is too).

 

[Pardalis]

The youth in Iran want change and democracy. The family planning plan of the Ayatollahs in the 80's has worked against them.

During the Iran-Iraq war between 1980 and 1988, a large population was viewed as a comparative advantage for Iran. Accordingly, Ayatollah Khomeini pushed procreation to bolster the ranks of "soldiers for Islam," aiming for "an army of 20 million."

Although Iran's population boom started before the 1979 Islamic Revolution (in 1976 the fertility rate was 6 children/woman), Ayatullah Khomeini's edict led to an annual population growth rate of well over 3%. United Nations data show that Iran's population doubled in just 20 years — from 27 million in 1968 to 55 million in 1988.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_planning_in_Iran#Khomeini_Era_and_pro-natalism

All those babies are now in their twenties, and are revolting. They've tasted democracy and modernity, and don't want what Ahmadinejad and the mullahs are imposing on them.

Is the Iranian government planning on executing all of them? A society that is killing its youth is a society that is sick, and in danger (kind of like Imperial Japan).

We need to support that generation.

 

[Cleon]

What is the UN's Humans Right Council doing?

Good question.

Where is the world's condemnation?

Unfortunately, I think the world has figured out that condemning the Iranian government for executing people is pretty much useless.

Fortunately, events over the last year or so have shown that the Iranian people are getting pretty fed up with the lunatics running their country.

Here's hoping they do something about it.

 

[ponderingturtle]

Unfortunately, I think the world has figured out that condemning the Iranian government for executing people is pretty much useless.

Isn't it the kind of thing that the bigger the deal we make of it the easier a time they have with domestic politics?

 

[Cleon]

Is the Iranian government planning on executing all of them?

Impractical, I think. Iran's method of hanging is pretty slow.

I think they're hoping that a few public executions might quell the unrest.

 

[Pardalis]

Impractical, I think. Iran's method of hanging is pretty slow.

Of course, I meant it sarcastically.

I just find it ironic that they pushed for these people to be born in the eighties, and now are executing them.

 

[DC]

The youth in Iran want change and democracy. The family planning plan of the Ayatollahs in the 80's has worked against them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_planning_in_Iran#Khomeini_Era_and_pro-natalism

All those babies are now in their twenties, and are revolting. They've tasted democracy and modernity, and don't want what Ahmadinejad and the mullahs are imposing on them.

Is the Iranian government planning on executing all of them? A society that is killing its youth is a society that is sick, and in danger (kind of like Imperial Japan).

We need to support that generation.

I condemn the murdering of those people.

but how do we support that generation?

 

[Pardalis]

I condemn the murdering of those people.

but how do we support that generation?

By getting the word out of what's going on in that country.

Is the Swiss media mentioning those executions? Canada's media sure is silent about it.

 

[ponderingturtle]

By getting the word out of what's going on in that country.

Is the Swiss media mentioning those executions? Canada's media sure is silent about it.

But does this international pressure have a beneficial effect in Iran? Or does it make the president look good for standing up to foreign imperialism?

No country wants to be told what to do by another country.

 

[dasmiller]

Of course, I meant it sarcastically.

I doubt that Iran's leadership has contemplated such a thing, but there is some historical precedent for killing huge numbers of your own population just to ensure political continuity.

Holodomor

Khmer Rouge

Of course, it can be reasonably argued that neither case is reallly parallel, but . . . I can't get sarcastic about the possibility of a totalitarian regime doing something monstrous to stay in power.

 

[DC]

By getting the word out of what's going on in that country.

Is the Swiss media mentioning those executions? Canada's media sure is silent about it.

have found nothing in any swiss newspaper, at least the German talking.
will watch news later. Wonder if it gets any attention.

 

[Moss]

Arguing about scale and method when people get executed for dissent or merely being there makes me kinda queasy.
The problem I have with this incident is that I'm not sure whether the executions had anything to do with the uprising or if the people executed were actually drug traffickers.(Not that I support the execution of those either.) I'm just not sure if there is a causal relationship.
And sorry Pardalis, just because someone else doesn't get the same media backfire as Israel gets for the Flotilla incident, that's not a reason to cry foul and point at them. Both issues need to be addressed, I give you that. But I have hard time seeing this as something other than an attempt at diversion.

 

[DC]

well i think its a valid point to point out discrepancies in reporting on events.
Its sad to say, but it seems that you only get media attention when there is some violence.
there were many protest in whole Europe this years and while almost everyone of them was reported on indymedia but mainstream media attention almost non. expect for such that had some incidents with the Police like in Berlin.

 

[Pardalis]

But I have hard time seeing this as something other than an attempt at diversion.

If you don't want to talk about the Iranian executions, don't post in this thread.

ETA: the reference to the flotilla incident is just to give people a little perspective.

 

[NoZed Avenger]

But does this international pressure have a beneficial effect in Iran? Or does it make the president look good for standing up to foreign imperialism?

No country wants to be told what to do by another country.

That kind of calculation always makes me uncomfortable. Not because it isn't necessarily right to consider it, but because it inherently provides incentives to authoritarian regimes to be as ruthless, violent, and crazy as possible so that they never get criticized.

 

[rwguinn]

How come when a State in the US executes a person after years of court appearances, appeals, pleas, and re-appeals, we are evil.
Whew Iran/Iraq/Saudi Arabia execute protesters/aldultresses/alleged drug dealears after one hearing and < one year after the "crime", the apologists are all over those of us who call them evil?
And WE'RE the racists?

 

[DC]

How come when a State in the US executes a person after years of court appearances, appeals, pleas, and re-appeals, we are evil.
Whew Iran/Iraq/Saudi Arabia execute protesters/aldultresses/alleged drug dealears after one hearing and < one year after the "crime", the apologists are all over those of us who call them evil?
And WE'RE the racists?

I am against the death penalty in general. no matter the reason. But never saw the US States that use the death penalty as EVIL. And especially i didn't doubt their guilt. and quite the contrary for China and Iran, no matter what they claim, i always have my doubts about the guilt of the accused.