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Meanwhile, in Congo

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A disturbing story about an epidemic of rape and violence in Congo.

Sometimes I find it hard to understand why life is so different in some third-world countries. What is wrong with these people? Colonialism was a long time ago. At some point I don't think you can point to that as an excuse anymore. The current UN presence doesn't seem to be enough to solve the problem. Elections don't seem to have helped much. What to do?
 
Sometimes I find it hard to understand why life is so different in some third-world countries. What is wrong with these people?
Endemic grinding poverty, limited resources and violence. There but for the grace of God go you. Learn something and get over yourself.
 
Endemic grinding poverty, limited resources and violence. There but for the grace of God go you. Learn something and get over yourself.

I agree except for the "limited Resources" part.The Congo is rich in natural resources.But seldom has a country been so badly mismanaged. And although colonialism certainly has a share in the sad story of the Congo since Independence,a lot of the blame has to rest with the terrible leadership it has had since Indepedence. And things just do not get any better no many who is in charge.
That Joseph Conrad named a classic short novel set in the Congo "Heart of Darkness is too appropriate.
 
The article also points to some outside causes:
UN officials said that the Rastas were once part of the Hutu militias who fled Rwanda after committing genocide there in 1994, but now it seems they have split off on their own and specialize in freelance cruelty.
 
I agree except for the "limited Resources" part.The Congo is rich in natural resources.
Except they are not accessible to a poor villager, which is the entire point. Even farming is very difficult in a tropical enviroment afflicted by numerous pests of plants; and of course the tropical enviroment plays hell with health.

That Joseph Conrad named a classic short novel set in the Congo "Heart of Darkness is too appropriate.
This is wholly different.
That was after King Leopold set in motion a mercenary army and bureaucracy to rape the Congo; his regime ended up killing millions of people, and the entire Leopold-then-Belgian interlude reduced the population of the Congo by a half.

When Leopold's white tax-collectors went up-river to collect taxes, if a village could not pay taxes, hands were cut off the villagers and smoked and taken back downstream to show as a replacement for the otherwise missing revenue. All this and far more is extremely well documented and researched. This is all standard history, not some political view.

The Heart Of Darkness was formed by extremely brutal foreign exploitation, not by only native elements.
 
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Endemic grinding poverty, limited resources and violence.
But why the endemic violence? I think development could occur if there wasn't so much violence. How do you stop the violence and establish order?
There but for the grace of God go you. Learn something and get over yourself.
Evidence that this God of yours really has grace, plz.
 
Cogo is basicaly had everything go wrong for it.

First it had the worst colonial experence. Under King Leopold the country was run for maxium profit with minimal investment.

Things got better under the Belgian administration to the point where they were probably not much worse than any other colonly but that didn't really help towards undoing the damage of the previous decade.

Independance in 1960 resulted in the usual problem of various parts of the country wanting to leave and a left wing goverment pissing off the CIA. Mobutu overthrew the rather weak goverment helped by belgium and CIA backing.

Mobutu kept the country sort of stable but that was about it. Little economic development and a cult of personality built around himself.

Cold war ended so CIA ceased to care. Mobutu drifted on untill 1996 untill the Rwandese Patriotic Front who had just finnished putting an end to the genocide in Rwanda got fed up with the cross boarder raids and invaded. Uganda and Angola backed them up and they found a local rebel leader (Kabila) to give them a hand. Without CIA backing Mobutu was pretty much useless so they kept advanceing untill they took the capital. Kabila was then left in charge of the country.

So far standard african things not working out to well story. Unfortunely while Mobutu was a brutal corrupt thug he was a least able to keep some level of control over the country. Kabila was not. Result was the various ethnic groups started fighting over traditional hatred and mineral rights and sounding countries took the opertunity to grab what they could.

This resulted in a situation where you had random miltias roming around stealing anything of value with no one haveing even regional control.
 
countdown till Bush gets blamed for this......
Yeah, let's blame Bush!

Because blaming those who actually perpetrated these atrocities would be construed as racism.
You guys certainly have a short memory for the 8 years the Republican leadership and the right wing NeoCons promoted blaming Clinton for anything and everything.

Bush is not to blame for this tragedy which has been going on for decades, but he did contribute to making it worse and did nothing to make it better. And before you brush off everything else I post, Bill Clinton did almost no better in this particular region of the world, though one has to note he did send troops to Somalia and the public back home said, "no, bring the soldiers back".

When there were starving children in Somalia on the American TV news, there was sort of a public outcry to do something. Then in trying to help, our soldiers were attacked. Americans had this idea we were going to go in and assist with food deliveries. Instead we found ourselves in the middle of a cruel and violent culture. That wasn't what the public expected when they urged Clinton to go ahead and take action. And the resulting BlackHawk downed was too much to take.

Of course the Republican leadership acted in their own best interest instead of the country's and promoted their usual blame Clinton for anything and everything but that's a side track. It did, however, result in the public focusing almost entirely on Clinton's actions instead of the humanitarian crisis which preceded it. I'm sure the Somalia mess is one reason you see almost no public push for action in Darfur.

It is no secret we have intervened a lot less in preventing humanitarian crises in areas of the world where the victims are black. However, I'm less inclined to say it's because the victims are black and more inclined to say, we simply don't identify with them. We don't have the same empathetic response to people who don't look like or live like anything we picture ourselves living and looking like.


Of course none of this means we haven't been interfering. Believe it or not, we have been involved including Bush and it wasn't in some trivial way.

The history of the Congalese trajedy can be found here:

Behind the Scenes: Warlords’ Deadly Battle in Congo

To discuss the involvement of foreign companies, governments, and people as well as discussing which corrupt officials and leaders within the country are behind this atrocity should not be brushed off by claiming it is some over broad attack on Bush or it is blaming America. The history of foreign involvement is what it is. And the US has been complicit including specific actions by GW Bush.


...the plunder of the Congo was advanced by Belgian colonial interests from 1908 to "independence" on June 30, 1960.

Following a coup d’etat orchestrated in part by Israeli American Maurice Tempelsman and his corporate allies, the country emerged from the first Congo crises (1960-1967) with U.S.-backed Colonel Joseph Mobutu installed as President.(1) Mobutu and his corporate partners plundered Congo from 1965 to 1996, and many of the same "untouchables" of the Mobutu era—Maurice Tempelsman, Etienne Davignon, George Forrest, the Blattners—are plundering Congo today.(2)

The Pentagon backed the overthrow of Mobutu in 1996-1997. This invasion was led by Rwanda and Uganda, backed by the U.S., Canada, U.K., Belgium and Israel. Washington’s support of the overthrow had to do with corporate interests in the region. International businesses wanted to reorganize the power structure in the region to better exploit the Congo's riches and displace deeply entrenched competitors. By July 1996, Mobutu was negotiating with George H.W. Bush over Barrick Gold interests in Zaire's Kilo Moto goldfields and for Adolph Lundin interests in copper/cobalt in Katanga. The invasion of Zaire swung into action after Paul Kagame visited the Pentagon in August 1996.(3)...


We need to look at the facts and not ignore them simply because Bush gets named. We should use the facts to help determine the best course of action, if any, that we might do which would help end the violence. As it is now, these people have been raised on violence since they were children. The task of changing such a culture is overwhelming. I do think we at least owe the Congolese people a re-examination of how our own corporate interests are supporting the corrupt warlords that are responsible for the torture and cruelty going on.

And in this particular case, I am especially disturbed by the horrendous use of rape as a weapon. Women are only rarely ever the perpetrators of violence. It is disgusting to see men attack women instead of even fighting each other. We saw it in Bosnia and there is an epidemic of it in the Congo and neighboring countries. Attacking women and kidnapping and forcing children to become soldiers really is something we should be trying to stop.

I'm reluctant to link to a Christian Missionary web site since they also have their share of contributing to world violence (along with a lot of good in some cases) but this web site had the information I was looking for:

Corporate Complicity in Congo's War

Since 1996, nearly four million people have died in the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) from a conflict that has involved several rebel armies, the militaries of Uganda, Rwanda, Burundi, Zimbabwe, Sudan, Namibia, Angola, and their proxy militias. These armed groups and the official Congolese army have shifted alliances, split apart and regrouped under other names, but they all have important aspects in common: they target civilians and they all use rape as a weapon of war. Rape as a Weapon of War

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The director of a woman's organization in Goma told us that if we wanted Westerners to understand the roots of violence in Congo, we ought to publicize how Western countries are facilitating and profiting from Congo's misery by dumping weapons into the country. "We are treated like the wastebasket of the world," she said. A representative of the human rights organization COHDO spoke to our delegation of an "Anglophone conspiracy" by the United States, United Kingdom, and South Africa to keep distributing arms to militias and armies. By doing so, he said, they keep the region destabilized, and thus open to the exploitation of its resources.

According to most of the people we spoke to, these resources are perhaps the key ingredient to understanding Congo's misery. The country has rich deposits of diamonds, gold, cobalt, timber, and other natural resources. It also contains 85 percent of the world's coltan ore. Tantalum, an element derived from this ore, is essential to the manufacture of laptop computers and cell phones.

[snip]

A 2003 follow-up report by the [UN] panel listed eighty-five multinational companies that had profited from the war in Congo, including six U.S.-owned companies: Cabot Corporation, Eagle Wings Resources International (a subsidiary of Trinitech International), Kemet Electronics Corporation, OM Group, and Vishay Sprague. With the exception of Belgium, few governments in countries where these corporations are based have made an attempt to hold these corporations accountable for the contributions they made to the violence in Congo.

And from Common Dreams: Global Businesses Profit from Congo War, Groups Charge

It's hard to boycott the products of these companies because they make things that go into other products before reaching the retail market. There are some people moving to not give up their proxy votes or to get proxy votes of others from the stock shares they hold in these corporations. I think if we are ever going to affect change it is going to be by convincing corporate decision makers their goal is not simply to make the most money, it is to do so in a humanitarian way.
 
And in this particular case, I am especially disturbed by the horrendous use of rape as a weapon. Women are only rarely ever the perpetrators of violence. It is disgusting to see men attack women instead of even fighting each other. We saw it in Bosnia and there is an epidemic of it in the Congo and neighboring countries. Attacking women and kidnapping and forcing children to become soldiers really is something we should be trying to stop.

The problem here is that according to the OP, the Congolese don't seem to know why the rapes are taking place. It is not mentioned if certain ethnic groups are being targeted, and even if the crimes have a political purpose.

From what I get from the article, these atrocious acts of violence seem completely random, which makes them even more horrible and difficult to understand.
 
Endemic grinding poverty, limited resources and violence. There but for the grace of God go you. Learn something and get over yourself.

Add in the breakdown of societal structures, and arms traders lining up to trade weapons for resources, such as diamonds. Also such artifacts of the days of colonialism. The whole Hutu/Tutsi disaster was created back then, when the colonial overlords first created the divide, and then made on group the masters of the other. Actions from a over a century ago, that took generations to work their way through a society.

Also the Angola War, another Commie vs West proxy.
 
The problem here is that according to the OP, the Congolese don't seem to know why the rapes are taking place. It is not mentioned if certain ethnic groups are being targeted, and even if the crimes have a political purpose.

From what I get from the article, these atrocious acts of violence seem completely random, which makes them even more horrible and difficult to understand.
From the OP article:
civilians are at the mercy of heavily armed groups who have made warfare a livelihood and survive by raiding villages and abducting women for ransom..

[snip]

..In almost all the reported cases, the culprits are described as young men with guns, and in the deceptively beautiful hills here there is no shortage of them: poorly paid and often mutinous government soldiers; homegrown militias called the Mai-Mai who slick themselves with oil before marching into battle; members of paramilitary groups originally from Uganda and Rwanda who have destabilized this area over the past 10 years in a quest for gold and the other riches that can be extracted from Congo's abused soil.
From the article I cited:
Since 1996, nearly four million people have died in the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) from a conflict that has involved several rebel armies, the militaries of Uganda, Rwanda, Burundi, Zimbabwe, Sudan, Namibia, Angola, and their proxy militias. These armed groups and the official Congolese army have shifted alliances, split apart and regrouped under other names, but they all have important aspects in common: they target civilians and they all use rape as a weapon of war. Rape as a Weapon of War


What the article is saying is it is a mystery why rape and violence against women is the means of attack. It isn't saying they don't know the root cause behind the attacks themselves. To understand the role the corporations play you have to read more.
And this intentional destabilization is precisely what has been happening. A panel of experts set up by the UN Security Council in 2000 issued a series of reports over the next few years describing how networks of high-level politicians from Congo and neighboring countries, military officers, and business people collaborated with various rebel groups to fuel violence in order to gain control over Congo's resources. For example, in 2002 the UN panel noted that as much as 60 to 70 percent of coltan in eastern Congo was mined under the surveillance of the Rwandan military, using the forced labor of Rwandan prisoners.

A 2003 follow-up report by the panel listed eighty-five multinational companies that had profited from the war in Congo, including six U.S.-owned companies...

...For example, after the UN panel of ex perts reported on corporations pillaging Congo's resources in October 2002, Ambassador Richard S. Wil liam son (U.S. Alternative Representative for Special Political Affairs to the UN) told the UN Security Council that the "United States Government will look into the allegations against these [American] companies and take appropriate measures." However, Friends of the Earth (FOE), which had been following up on the panel's allegations against the American companies, noted in October 2003 that "to date, the Bush administration has placed a greater emphasis on exonerating U.S. companies than on undertaking a meaningful examination into how U.S. companies might have contributed to the conflict in [Democratic Republic of Congo] via supply chains." ...

...By failing to act, the U.S. and other Western governments have sent a troubling message: Corporations are not responsible for ensuring that their purchase of natural resources does not finance weapons and human rights abuses in the Two-Thirds world. There is a thin but clear link between money that flows to the militias from corporations interested in protecting their claim to the Congo's resources, and the militias' ability to recruit new soldiers and to continue attacking villagers. Unless the corporate plunder of the Congo is stopped, the terror‹and the rapes‹will continue.
The article goes on to discuss what people can do. There's also a lot more discussion about how the corporations are involved.

From the CommonDreams article:
WASHINGTON -- A dozen major international human rights and development groups are calling on the UN Security Council to press the United States and other western governments to launch immediate investigations into the involvement of multinational corporations based in their countries in profiteering from the war in the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC).

The appeal--by such groups as Human Rights Watch (HRW), Friends of the Earth (FoE), Oxfam, and the International Human Rights Law Group--charges that multinational corporations (MNCs) have developed "elite networks" of key political, military, and business elites to plunder the Congo's natural resources during a five-year conflict that has caused the deaths of more than three million people--the highest civilian death toll of any war since World War II. ...
 
This all sounds very conspiratorial to me. It assumes the corporations are profiting from the instability and go from that. If they profit, therefore they are responsible... I don't know, is there direct proof of that?

Your article states that the UN panel who is investigating these companies didn't find anything.
The panel of experts' final report in October 2003 said that no further investigation was required into the activities of Cabot, Eagle Wings, and the OM Group, who had protested their appearance on the list of eighty-five corporations. However, the report clearly stated that the resolution of this issue should not be interpreted as absolution. The panel's earlier findings about the contribution that these corporations had made to violence in Congo stood.
What were the allegations?

ETA: can we see the actual UN report?
 
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The problem here is that according to the OP, the Congolese don't seem to know why the rapes are taking place. It is not mentioned if certain ethnic groups are being targeted, and even if the crimes have a political purpose.

From what I get from the article, these atrocious acts of violence seem completely random, which makes them even more horrible and difficult to understand.

I think this is what happens when you have gangs of men living essentially as marauding bands of land pirates. The only solution I can envision would be for an army to go in there and kill or capture them all. Not that I'm recommending that. I'm frankly sick and tired of interventionism.
 
This all sounds very conspiratorial to me. It assumes the corporations are profiting from the instability and go from that. If they profit, therefore they are responsible... I don't know, is there direct proof of that?

Your article states that the UN panel who is investigating these companies didn't find anything.
What were the allegations?

ETA: can we see the actual UN report?

Corporations are people too. It doesn't seem to me that corporations are central to the problem here. We should also note that corporations and free market economies are why we have such high standards of living in the developed countries. And high standards of living help make it possible for us to be civilized and decent and have resonable levels of security and lower rates of crime.

Generally speaking, I think Congo could use more corporate involvement. The real problem IMO is these armed gangs of criminals, not corporations. Because if there was safety and security, corporations could help raise living standards.
 
Corporations are people too. It doesn't seem to me that corporations are central to the problem here. We should also note that corporations and free market economies are why we have such high standards of living in the developed countries. And high standards of living help make it possible for us to be civilized and decent and have resonable levels of security and lower rates of crime.

Considering that the Congolese never benefited from a free market economy nor ever had a decent standard of living, thanks to the plundering of the country by the various corporations that operated in the region during and since the Belgian colonisation, and the inept rule that Mobutu and Kabila kept with the blessing of the Western powers (Gurdur, Geni, AUP, and Skepticgirl gave a good overview of the last 100 years in Congo), civilized, decent, and secure are on sick leave for the foreseable future ...


Generally speaking, I think Congo could use more corporate involvement. The real problem IMO is these armed gangs of criminals, not corporations. Because if there was safety and security, corporations could help raise living standards.

There are a number of corporations operating at a profit in Congo (mining, logging, ...), only they do benefit from playing one gang against another, which dispense them from playing by the rules of a civilized/regulated free market. This of course prevents more decent corporations from investing there. Note that this is a game that's been played there for decades, starting before independence, and that those who tried to interfere with its rules met with terminal inconveniences (look Patrick Lumumba for an example).
 

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