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Max Boot: Support Dems

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"“Should I stay or should I go now?” That question, posed by the eminent political philosophers known as The Clash, is one that confronts any Republican with a glimmer of conscience. You used to belong to a conservative party with a white-nationalist fringe. Now it’s a white-nationalist party with a conservative fringe. If you’re part of that fringe, what should you do?"
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Max Boot and George Will supporting the Dems... we really have gone through the looking glass. Does this give any of our resident conservatives pause to think they might be on the wrong side of history?
 
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Fudbucker said:
"“Should I stay or should I go now?” That question, posed by the eminent political philosophers known as The Clash, is one that confronts any Republican with a glimmer of conscience. You used to belong to a conservative party with a white-nationalist fringe. Now it’s a white-nationalist party with a conservative fringe. If you’re part of that fringe, what should you do?"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.c749e11aa95a

Max Boot and George Will supporting the Dems... we really have gone through the looking glass. Does this give any of our resident conservatives pause to think they might be on the wrong side of history?
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Where is logger when you need him? I'm sure he would say something about them being 'pretend' conservatives.

The labels conservative and liberal have really meant little for a long time. Will and Boot have been poster boys for the conservative movement for a very long time. Low taxes, balanced budget, strong military. And while I disagree with both of them on so many issues, I wouldn't question either's loyalty to the nation.

I don't see how people can't see that Trump is a major nutbag We elected our crazy racist uncle to be President. This man knows little about anything other than getting attention. Don't these people get sick of his non-stop lying?
 
I always thought George Will was solidly conservative, but not right wing, not a bomb thrower.

I thought Max Boot was a fair bit to the right of Will, getting into "Right Wing" territory.

But that was a good 15-20 years ago, back when Newsweek was a popular news outlet, consumed almost exclusively hardcopy.

The world has moved on, neither Boot nor Will are anywhere near as influential as they once were. They've been eclipsed by all the Glenn Becks and Alex Jones of the world, not to mention all the screaming ninnies with Youtube channels.

ETA: It's a bit like all the Republican politicians who come out against Trump - but only if they have already retired or announced that they won't be running for re-election. Even Romney is shifting to a pro-Trump stance now they he is getting back in the game.
 
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crescent said:
I always thought George Will was solidly conservative, but not right wing, not a bomb thrower.

I thought Max Boot was a fair bit to the right of Will, getting into "Right Wing" territory.

But that was a good 15-20 years ago, back when Newsweek was a popular news outlet, consumed almost exclusively hardcopy.

The world has moved on, neither Boot nor Will are anywhere near as influential as they once were. They've been eclipsed by all the Glenn Becks and Alex Jones of the world, not to mention all the screaming ninnies with Youtube channels.

ETA: It's a bit like all the Republican politicians who come out against Trump - but only if they have already retired or announced that they won't be running for re-election. Even Romney is shifting to a pro-Trump stance now they he is getting back in the game.
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Will is not influential any more because the party left him. He's been solidly against Trump since the Donald came down that escalator. And Beck has been schizophrenic. He was solidly against Trump during most of the campaign. But Beck is like Rush and Dershowitz. They are whores and devoid of any real principles. Will might make small compromises, but he has always had core principles.
 
acbytesla said:
I don't see how people can't see that Trump is a major nutbag We elected our crazy racist uncle to be President. This man knows little about anything other than getting attention. Don't these people get sick of his non-stop lying?
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The best that Trump can contribute is as an argument for why the system needs fixing. The worst is that he tests it to destruction.
 
Are there any Trump supporters still left here? Well, openly supportive, that is. I have my suspicions about a few people.
 
Fudbucker said:
Are there any Trump supporters still left here? Well, openly supportive, that is. I have my suspicions about a few people.
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The holding pattern of the moment involves whining about how institutionally unfair Trump's reviews have been recently. It's not about supporting Trump, you understand, it's about the negativity with which his failures and idiocy are presented for all to see by reality.
 
CapelDodger said:
The best that Trump can contribute is as an argument for why the system needs fixing. The worst is that he tests it to destruction.
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The system always has needed fixing and probably always will. It's the point of the unfinished pyramid on our money.

And that's ok....to a point. The world is always changing and we the people and the government must adapt to that government. Granted, it is much more dysfunctional right now than it has been for a very long time.

I read an article a couple of days ago about how the average American worker's quality of life is much worse than it is in the rest in the developed world. Now, that news is stunning to most of us. But if you consider that most nations in Europe have better education, better healthcare, better pensions, much more vacation time than we do, it certainly gives pause.
 
acbytesla said:
The system always has needed fixing and probably always will. It's the point of the unfinished pyramid on our money.

And that's ok....to a point. The world is always changing and we the people and the government must adapt to that government. Granted, it is much more dysfunctional right now than it has been for a very long time.

I read an article a couple of days ago about how the average American worker's quality of life is much worse than it is in the rest in the developed world. Now, that news is stunning to most of us. But if you consider that most nations in Europe have better education, better healthcare, better pensions, much more vacation time than we do, it certainly gives pause.
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I think Trump was a wake-up call to a lot of people like me, which is a good thing. I thought the racist stuff and Access Hollywood were absolute disqualifiers, and my thinking (mistakenly) was that around 80% of the country would agree. I had no idea...
 
acbytesla said:
The system always has needed fixing and probably always will. It's the point of the unfinished pyramid on our money.

And that's ok....to a point. The world is always changing and we the people and the government must adapt to that government. Granted, it is much more dysfunctional right now than it has been for a very long time.

I read an article a couple of days ago about how the average American worker's quality of life is much worse than it is in the rest in the developed world. Now, that news is stunning to most of us. But if you consider that most nations in Europe have better education, better healthcare, better pensions, much more vacation time than we do, it certainly gives pause.
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The rest of the developed world also have much better workers' rights than in the US as well, whether it's health and safety protection on the job, employment protection or protection from harassment. Even the UK, which seems to be modelling itself on the US from this perspective, is far better although to a great extent it's the EU that's providing the backstop. Post-Brexit I anticipate US-style fire at will policies and a rejection of "elfen safety" from employers.
 
It's interesting that the Trump worshippers here are avoiding this thread like the plague.
 
Fudbucker said:
"“Should I stay or should I go now?” That question, posed by the eminent political philosophers known as The Clash, is one that confronts any Republican with a glimmer of conscience. You used to belong to a conservative party with a white-nationalist fringe. Now it’s a white-nationalist party with a conservative fringe. If you’re part of that fringe, what should you do?"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.c749e11aa95a

Max Boot and George Will supporting the Dems... we really have gone through the looking glass. Does this give any of our resident conservatives pause to think they might be on the wrong side of history?
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Upchurch said:
That's probably the most succinct description of Trump-era (and probably Obama-era) Republicans I've seen.
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I agree.

dudalb said:
It's interesting that the Trump worshippers here are avoiding this thread like the plague.
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Yes it will, will it even exist? I think it will probably be the 80% that are fully on board with Trump that takes over but they wont have anyone like Trump to inspire them. What will happen to the other 20%. I think they'll wander away slowly, first mostly becoming independence and then joining the dems.
 
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