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Matt Taibbi on the End of RussiaGate and the Media

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I found this piece on Memeorandum, and didn't pay attention to the writer until I was about 1/3rd of the way through. Matt Taibbi is a liberal politics writer for Rolling Stone magazine. He gained my respect for taking on the 9-11 Truthers and here he takes on the MSM for their overly credulous reporting on RussiaGate. Keep in mind that Taibbi is far from a Trump sychophant; his book on the 2016 Election is entitled The Insane Clown President. But here he hits on the media, which he points out made lots and lots of errors in their reporting on the issue and oddly enough in one direction:

Early on, I was so amazed by the sheer quantity of Russia “bombshells” being walked back, I started to keep a list. It’s well above 50 stories now. As has been noted by Glenn Greenwald of the Intercept and others, if the mistakes were random, you’d expect them in both directions, but Russiagate errors uniformly go the same way.

And he even suggests it may have gone beyond simple confirmation bias:

Russiagate happened in an opposite context. If the story fell apart it would benefit Donald Trump politically, a fact that made a number of reporters queasy about coming forward. #Russiagate became synonymous with #Resistance, which made public skepticism a complicated proposition.

Taibbi provides a stunning number of recent examples of notable journalists like Bob Woodward recently renouncing their own reporting on major elements of RG, but (drumroll please) not in the original article online, but in his newest book:

It was the same when Bob Woodward said, “I did not find [espionage or collusion]… Of course I looked for it, looked for it hard.”

The celebrated Watergate muckraker – who once said he’d succumbed to “groupthink” in the WMD episode and added, “I blame myself mightily for not pushing harder” – didn’t push very hard here, either. News that he’d tried and failed to find collusion didn’t get into his own paper. It only came out when Woodward was promoting his book Fear in a discussion with conservative host Hugh Hewitt.

Note that bit about WMD; Taibbi's also been a relentless critic of the MSM's acceptance of the WMD claims in the run-up to the Iraq War. Solid read and a stunning liberal criticism of the media's overly credulous coverage of the Trump-Russia connection for the last several years.
 
Good points.

Donald Trump's role as it were in the Russian interference was particularly overblown, but the media frenzy was understandable. They just put their conclusions before any facts were actually uncovered by the investigation, and we know what a recipe for disaster that can be.

I'm afraid that this might backfire on the Democrats. Whether or not they actually pushed for Trump to be impeached on these grounds, the Trump fans already have a great new talking point to push through the airwaves.
 
I don't think Trump is out of the woods yet on Collusion.
True, because he doesn't email, there won't be a recording of him talking quid pro quo.
But Mueller has RICO experience, and so does his team. He absolutely could indict Trump ... but has good political reasons not to do so if the issue can be solved quietly.
 
I generally like Taibbi, but this is ********. We are not at the "end of Russiagate" until we have a credible explanation for all the circumstantial evidence that led to the investigation in the first place and the evidence that has been uncovered since, and Taibbi has no better knowledge than anyone else of what is and what isn't in the report.
 
I generally like Taibbi, but this is ********. We are not at the "end of Russiagate" until we have a credible explanation for all the circumstantial evidence that led to the investigation in the first place and the evidence that has been uncovered since, and Taibbi has no better knowledge than anyone else of what is and what isn't in the report.

Evaluate it as a piece of media criticism, instead of focusing on the politics. How did the media perform in this current situation? Taibbi sees it. This is something I have harped on during the Trump presidency, is how do the media regain their legitimacy after going so far in the tank on dubious stories (detailed in Taibbi's piece)?
 
the politics. How did the media perform in this current situation? Taibbi sees it. This is something I have harped on during the Trump presidency, is how do the media regain their legitimacy after going so far in the tank on dubious stories (detailed in Taibbi's piece)?

They can't. They've betrayed the public's trust and are guilty of dereliction of duty. Now we see a vacuum emerging and it being filled by "independent journalists," like Tim Pool, Lauren Southern, and other D-list e-celebs.
 
Reporting facts is dereliction of duty?
Sorry, but no.
In times when one party controls all three branches of government, the freedom and Independence of the fourth estate is of paramount importance.
Calling for the press to report only good news about the Boss is anti-democratic.
 
As always, a skeptic is arguing with himself.
 
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Reporting facts is dereliction of duty?
Sorry, but no.
In times when one party controls all three branches of government, the freedom and Independence of the fourth estate is of paramount importance.
Calling for the press to report only good news about the Boss is anti-democratic.

Again, missing the point. Taibbi, who is clearly no fan of Trump's, points out multiple times when the press got it completely wrong. So wrong that it is obvious that all objectivity was thrown out the window in in a desperate attempt to pander to the pee-gate true believers.
 
Of course the press will get it wrong sometimes - especially when the Investigation doesn't leak and Trump obviously lies. Most of the media reporting was in response to some comments by Trump surrogates, including his lawyer Giuliani, who admitted that there was collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia.
Is it really such a big step to assume that Trump had a clue about what was happening in his own campaign?
Obviously it is for someone as clueless as Trump.
 
Again, missing the point. Taibbi, who is clearly no fan of Trump's, points out multiple times when the press got it completely wrong. So wrong that it is obvious that all objectivity was thrown out the window in in a desperate attempt to pander to the pee-gate true believers.

This
 
This is from another board:

I've just read some of that Taibbi article and it's either badly researched, or it's deliberately misleading.

First, the passage from the article I'm going to talk about:

This failure to demand specifics has been epidemic in Russiagate, even when good reporters have been involved. One of the biggest “revelations” of this era involved a story that was broken first by a terrible reporter (the Guardian’s Luke Harding) and followed up by a good one (Jane Mayer of the New Yorker). The key detail involved the elusive origin story of Russiagate.

Mayer’s piece, the March 12, 2018 “Christopher Steele, the Man Behind The Trump Dossier” in the New Yorker, impacted the public mainly by seeming to bolster the credentials of the dossier author. But it contained an explosive nugget far down. Mayer reported Robert Hannigan, then-head of the GCHQ (the British analog to the NSA) intercepted a “stream of illicit communications” between “Trump’s team and Moscow” at some point prior to August 2016. Hannigan flew to the U.S. and briefed CIA director John Brennan about these communications. Brennan later testified this inspired the original FBI investigation.


When I read that, a million questions came to mind, but first: what did “illicit” mean?

If something “illicit” had been captured by GCHQ, and this led to the FBI investigation (one of several conflicting public explanations for the start of the FBI probe, incidentally), this would go a long way toward clearing up the nature of the collusion charge. If they had something, why couldn’t they tell us what it was? Why didn’t we deserve to know?

I asked the Guardian: “Was any attempt made to find out what those communications were? How was the existence of these communications confirmed? Did anyone from the Guardian see or hear these intercepts, or transcripts?”

Their one-sentence reply:

The Guardian has strict and rigorous procedures when dealing with source material.


That’s the kind of answer you’d expect from a transnational bank, or the army, not a newspaper.

The first thing to note, is that Taibbi seems to be trying to give the impression that Mayer got the word "illicit" from Harding, but that's not true. This is Harding's piece (co-authored with two other people) and it doesn't use the word "illicit", and nor does it try to paint the communications as illicit. This is what it says:

GCHQ first became aware in late 2015 of suspicious “interactions” between figures connected to Trump and known or suspected Russian agents, a source close to UK intelligence said. This intelligence was passed to the US as part of a routine exchange of information, they added.

Over the next six months, until summer 2016, a number of western agencies shared further information on contacts between Trump’s inner circle and Russians, sources said.

The European countries that passed on electronic intelligence – known as sigint – included Germany, Estonia and Poland. Australia, a member of the “Five Eyes” spying alliance that also includes the US, UK, Canada and New Zealand, also relayed material, one source said.

Another source suggested the Dutch and the French spy agency, the General Directorate for External Security or DGSE, were contributors.

It is understood that GCHQ was at no point carrying out a targeted operation against Trump or his team or proactively seeking information. The alleged conversations were picked up by chance as part of routine surveillance of Russian intelligence assets. Over several months, different agencies targeting the same people began to see a pattern of connections that were flagged to intelligence officials in the US.

Note that they're described as "suspicious", rather than "illicit".

It's also worth noting that Taibbi frames these communications as being of a nature which can be heard or transcribed. However, there is nothing in Harding's article that implies this. Indeed, they're referred to as "interactions", "contacts", "surveillance", "alleged conversations", and "connections". None of that implies that any conversations were recorded or transcribed. Indeed, it was later reported (in an article that doesn't come immediately to hand and which I don't have time to find right now) that the nature of the interceptions was simply the agencies monitoring who had been in contact with the agents they were surveilling, rather than actually intercepting any calls. In other words, it's the equivalent of looking at their phone bills to see what numbers there are on there.

In fact, Taibbi doesn't seem to know about this April 2017 article at all, and instead refers to this Nov 2017 article as being where "the story had originally been broken".* That article, one portion of which briefly summarises the earlier article, naturally contains far less information or detail:

In late 2015 the British eavesdropping agency, GCHQ, was carrying out standard “collection” against Moscow targets. These were known Kremlin operatives already on the grid. Nothing unusual here – except that the Russians were talking to people associated with Trump. The precise nature of these exchanges has not been made public, but according to sources in the US and the UK, they formed a suspicious pattern. They continued through the first half of 2016. The intelligence was handed to the US as part of a routine sharing of information.

The FBI and the CIA were slow to appreciate the extensive nature of these contacts between Trump’s team and Moscow. This was in part due to institutional squeamishness – the law prohibits US agencies from examining the private communications of US citizens without a warrant.

But the electronic intelligence suggested Steele was right. According to one account, the US agencies looked as if they were asleep. “‘Wake up! There’s something not right here!’ – the BND [German intelligence], the Dutch, the French and SIS were all saying this,” one Washington-based source told me.

That summer, GCHQ’s then head, Robert Hannigan, flew to the US to personally brief CIA chief John Brennan. The matter was deemed so important that it was handled at “director level”, face-to-face between the two agency chiefs. James Clapper, director of national intelligence, later confirmed the “sensitive” stream of intelligence from Europe. After a slow start, Brennan used the GCHQ information and other tip-offs to launch a major inter-agency investigation.

He notes here that the nature of the exchanges haven't been made public but, again, that it was the pattern that was suspicious. And, once more, the word "illicit" is nowhere to be found.

And if anybody is thinking that Tiabbi is not implying that "illicit" was Harding's word, then the following quote re Mayer should make it clear:

I can only infer she couldn’t find out what “illicit” meant despite proper effort.

He concludes this segment by saying:

To be clear, I don’t necessarily disbelieve the idea that there were “illicit” contacts between Trump and Russians in early 2015 or before. But if there were such contacts, I can’t think of any legitimate reason why their nature should be withheld from the public.

Leaving aside the fact that he appears to be suggesting that it's Harding who is withholding information about this, rather than the intelligence agencies themselves, this is nothing but an argument from incredulity. That Taibbi can't think of any legitimate reason could just as easily imply a lack of imagination, understanding, or knowledge on his part - or even intentional disingenuity - as it could bad journalism or malfeasance on Harding's. It's a logical fallacy and a meaningless, content-less statement.

I'm sure I could get into much more from this article, if I had the time or inclination to chase everything up, but this part just leapt out at me because I remembered the actual Guardian story quite well and Taibbi's characterisation of it immediately seemed off. The impression I'm getting, though, is that this article is as bad journalistically as he is claiming the journalism he's commenting on is. It seems to me that this is even more egregious if it's not an article he's written to a tight deadline due to the news about Mueller, but instead the chapter of a book.

*It's difficult to tell whether Mayer told him that she used Harding as her source and Taibbi independently found the article he thought it must have been, or if she cited this particular article and he didn't check whether or not that was where the story was actually originally broken.

So I would recommend doing some fact-checking of the claims in the article before taking what it says as gospel.
 
Honestly, the lack of “collusion” or co-ordination doesn’t really surprise me. If you think about it, how much co-ordination would they need really? Trump wanted to weaken and embarrass Clinton, Putin wanted to weaken and embarrass Clinton, and both of them knew how the other felt.

If Putin’s hackers get some DNC e-mails and want to use them to hurt Clinton, handing a copy of them to a Trump flunky would do that. They wouldn’t even have to say, “use these to hurt Clinton”. Nothing would really need to be said.

The fact that the Trump organization was trying to build a big project in Moscow during the election (which was frankly bonkers), merely meant that there were a lot more avenues for document dumps and apparent collusion.
 
I thought the HRC campaign paid for the original dossier.

The FISA warrant was knowingly based on this dossier.

Comey has admitted that the dossier was not verified.

Comey signed the warrant saying it was verified.

Even if they found something, I think the original FISA warrant might get thrown out by a judge.
 
Evaluate it as a piece of media criticism, instead of focusing on the politics. How did the media perform in this current situation? Taibbi sees it. This is something I have harped on during the Trump presidency, is how do the media regain their legitimacy after going so far in the tank on dubious stories (detailed in Taibbi's piece)?

Yes, Taibbi is grinding an ax he's been swinging for some time, and generally for good reason. But his calling this "the end of Russiagate" deserves some "media criticism" too, because it certainly isn't. So far, all we know is that Mueller didn't turn up any documents, tape recordings, or confessions that would support a criminal prosecution, because such hard evidence is what would be required. Now, we need to know what he did find, if anything. Did he determine that the 100 contacts with Russians that the 17 people lied about were all for innocuous reasons, or was he unable to determine what all those contacts were about? There's a big difference.
 
I thought the HRC campaign paid for the original dossier.

The FISA warrant was knowingly based on this dossier.

Comey has admitted that the dossier was not verified.

Comey signed the warrant saying it was verified.

Even if they found something, I think the original FISA warrant might get thrown out by a judge.

Sorry, but that ignorance-based speculation and distortion of the facts was laid to rest some time ago. The warrant was based on information from several sources; several parts of the dossier have been verified; and none of the dossier has been disproved. The idea that you need to prove a crime was committed before you're allowed to investigate if a crime was committed is idiotic on its face.
 
I thought the HRC campaign paid for the original dossier.
The original Steel dossier was paid for by republicans.
The FISA warrant was knowingly based on this dossier.
Actually, the thing that touched off this whole investigation was not the dossier, it was statements by Papadopoulos that originally got the interest of the FBI. Plus, there was significant supporting evidence from other investigative sources. (While the dossier may have been mentioned, without it the investigation would have proceeded pretty much as it did.)

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-...ut-carter-page-dossier-secret-warrant-n893666
 
The original Steel dossier was paid for by republicans.

Not quite. The investigation into Trump that the dossier ended up being part of was originally paid for by Republicans, but by the time Steele was brought on board and started gathering information in Russia Clinton's campaign had taken over the funding.
 
Remember, the GOP didn't want Trump any more than the Democrats did. They started up a smear file, and when they couldn't use it anymore, they sold it to the Democrats, who took it and ran with it.

It makes more sense when you also remember that Trump was a giant middle finger from voters to the GOP, long before he was a middle finger from voters to the DNC.
 

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