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Mag-Gro

william1165

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Has anyone seen a product called mag-gro? (Check out mag-gro"dot"com.)

I asked, through his comment page, if he was interested in $1M if they could prove it actually worked. He said he was, and added "I am also interested in locating ways to
distribute my product to a wider audience. Mag-Gro will make a lot of people happy."

Would this qualify, if they were to somehow prove it? Or at least get them to admit it is phony.

William
 
The 'Clinical Trials' link takes you to a page of testimonials.

Come on, say it with me:

"The plural of anecodote is not EVIDENCE!"

Oddly enough, I just had the privilege of judging a science fair this morning. There are four 8th graders there who can tell you that EM fields do not inhibit or encourage the growth of seedlings of tomato, broccoli or lawn grass. I'm sure they could have a lot of fun demonstrating similar non-effects of the Mag-gro at next year's science fair, if he would like the publicity.
 
william1165 said:
Has anyone seen a product called mag-gro? (Check out mag-gro"dot"com.)

I asked, through his comment page, if he was interested in $1M if they could prove it actually worked. He said he was, and added "I am also interested in locating ways to
distribute my product to a wider audience. Mag-Gro will make a lot of people happy."

Would this qualify, if they were to somehow prove it? Or at least get them to admit it is phony.

William
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Well, the latter will probably never happen. But I think it probably would qualify. The best person to ask would be Jeff Wagg, who handles Challenge applications.

If you get into his comment page again (you already seem to have a connection with him), you may want to invite the gentleman here -- if you do, however, please warn him that he will run into a group of people who will be willing to help him design a test protocol (if he's sincere about it), and there will be a group of people who will roundly mock and ridicule him. If he's willing to endure ridicule (or, heck, simply ignore it) for a million bucks, I'd like to see him here. : )

Please make sure he goes to the Challenge section of www.randi.org and reads everything. It's especially important to understand the rules and the process. Of course, if he has any questions about those, he's more than welcome to pop in here. Again, none of us work for JREF, so we're not official spokescritters; however, I think most of the regulars have had enough exposure, through reading Challenge application conversations, to understand the basics of the process fairly well.
 
I think he's on to me

After that first reply, I just waited a bit to figure out how to lure him in. Well, I didn't even have to send anything, and I got this typical reply...note the standard first 6 words, typical of someone who CAN'T prove anything, even for $1M.

<quote>
Dear William:

I don't have to prove anything. Mag-Gro makes sense if you think about it. If you read the information on the site you will learn that every hair growth/loss product attempt to increase blood flow to the scalp. Mag-Gro increases blood flow to the scalp better, faster and for far less money then any other product ever. Period.

A hair follicle on your head is a lot like a shrub in your lawn. Your shrub has roots and it needs nutrients, water and sunlight in order to grow. Your hair follicle has capillaries bringing it blood. If you starve a shrub of water, nutrients and/or sun, the shrub will wither up, get smaller, and eventually die. If you starve you hair follicle of blood your hair will loose its shine, it will lose color and turn gray, it will get thinner, it will grow slower and eventually it will fall out.

It should be very clear to everyone that ample blood flow is all you need in order to have a beautiful and healthy head of hair. With that in mind, Mag-Gro increases blood flow to the scalp better, faster and cheaper then any product that has ever been on the market before.

Why would anyone want to spend hundreds and even thousands of dollars every year just to put chemicals on their scalp - or hormones in their body - knowing that the best these chemicals can do is increase blood flow slightly in about 1/3 of the people. This is crazy. Mag-Gro will greatly increase blood flow in 100% of the people who use it. And Mag-Gro does it for a one time fee of $79.95. If you don't lose it, or break it, Mag-Gro will last for many years

Please go to our Purchase Page. There you can compare the annual cost of using Mag-Gro to every other hair growth on the market today.

If you decide to become a Mag-Gro user, please take a second every now and then to report in to us. We love to here how happy our customers are and what amazing results they have experienced.

Regards,
D.C. Anderson
VP Sales
Roll Your Scalp

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Whatever magnets do, they do not increase blood flow. It's very hard to do blind tests for a device that uses magnets and takes months to test, as the tester will quickly figure out whether his Mag-Gro has real magnets or not. Plus the very fact that someone has a Mag-Gro will make him take better care of his hair, which can make a dramatic difference in some cases.

The best approach would probably be to get sets of matched people (similar age, hair, etc.) and give one set Mag-Gro, one set Rogaine, and one set a dummy potion. Have an independent judge look at the before and after pictures and decide if there is improvement.
 
william1165 said:
After that first reply, I just waited a bit to figure out how to lure him in. Well, I didn't even have to send anything, and I got this typical reply...note the standard first 6 words, typical of someone who CAN'T prove anything, even for $1M.

D.C. Anderson said:
Dear William:

I don't have to prove anything. Mag-Gro makes sense if you think about it. If you read the information on the site you will learn that every hair growth/loss product attempt to increase blood flow to the scalp. Mag-Gro increases blood flow to the scalp better, faster and for far less money then any other product ever. Period.

A hair follicle on your head is a lot like a shrub in your lawn. Your shrub has roots and it needs nutrients, water and sunlight in order to grow. Your hair follicle has capillaries bringing it blood. If you starve a shrub of water, nutrients and/or sun, the shrub will wither up, get smaller, and eventually die. If you starve you hair follicle of blood your hair will loose its shine, it will lose color and turn gray, it will get thinner, it will grow slower and eventually it will fall out.

It should be very clear to everyone that ample blood flow is all you need in order to have a beautiful and healthy head of hair. With that in mind, Mag-Gro increases blood flow to the scalp better, faster and cheaper then any product that has ever been on the market before.

Why would anyone want to spend hundreds and even thousands of dollars every year just to put chemicals on their scalp - or hormones in their body - knowing that the best these chemicals can do is increase blood flow slightly in about 1/3 of the people. This is crazy. Mag-Gro will greatly increase blood flow in 100% of the people who use it. And Mag-Gro does it for a one time fee of $79.95. If you don't lose it, or break it, Mag-Gro will last for many years

Please go to our Purchase Page. There you can compare the annual cost of using Mag-Gro to every other hair growth on the market today.

If you decide to become a Mag-Gro user, please take a second every now and then to report in to us. We love to here how happy our customers are and what amazing results they have experienced.

Regards,
D.C. Anderson
VP Sales
Roll Your Scalp
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I can't comment on the idea that improving blood flow to the scalp reduces baldness (any dermatologists here?), but I notice nothing in Anderson's comments even hints just how magnets are supposed to do this. The e-mail is just a sales pitch, a marketer's way of putting his fingers in his ears and singing, "La la la! I can't hear you!"

William, you may want to drop a line to randi@randi.org, suggesting this would be suitable for inclusion in SWIFT, the JREF's weekly newsletter.
 
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william1165 said:
After that first reply, I just waited a bit to figure out how to lure him in. Well, I didn't even have to send anything, and I got this typical reply...note the standard first 6 words, typical of someone who CAN'T prove anything, even for $1M.

<quote>
Dear William:

I don't have to prove anything. </quote>
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Ah, the standard dodge. When, in reality, anyone making a claim of this nature does have to prove something. Another "try it [at $79.95 a pop] and see if it works" type. Joy.
 
william1165 said:
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I don't have to prove anything.
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Wrong, Mr. Anderson. But cute: Argumentative properties of a child, followed by pseudoscientific blahblah sprinkled with unproven statements, followed by a sales pitch. Mayest thou getteth what thou deserveth.
 
william1165 said:
<quote>
Dear William:

I don't have to prove anything. Mag-Gro makes sense if you think about it. If you read the information on the site you will learn that every hair growth/loss product attempt to increase blood flow to the scalp. Mag-Gro increases blood flow to the scalp better, faster and for far less money then any other product ever. Period.</quote>
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Every hair loss product attempts to increase blood flow, therefore that must be the right answer. Just like every doctor used to let blood out of patients to cure them, therefore that was the right answer.
 
So wait a second--magnetism increases blood flow and therefore causes hair to grow?

Then how come I'm still bald after an MRI?

Or is he trying to say his magnets aren't many orders of magnitude weaker than the magnetic field produced in an MRI machine?
 
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