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Machine that cures pain

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Just saw this on our Australian TV...7 Today Tonight. They had this machine which could cure pain. This old woman was saying how it took away her arthritis/rheumatism. The funny part was when the reporter said:

"So was it a miracle machine or a medical marvel? We asked several health authorities and doctors to comment on the device, but none would go on record to endorse or condemn it. So the only real proof that it works is the testimonies of the people who try it."

Which pretty much means it isn't tested, and should not have been in a news report! Anyone else see this or think this is all bs?

Link to article:

http://seven.com.au/todaytonight/story/?id=25133
 
First thoughts are - I'll have one please.

Second thoughts are sine the Doctor says:

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"It works by charging up the cells, energising the cells and a fully energised cell is able to do its job far more effectively," Dr Stubbs said.

"And if you're energising the healing cells, the body can heal itself far more effectively," he said.

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Which is just sheer bunkum - the reason I am confident saying that is that it doesn't mean anything, it is a couple of sentences of meaningless words combined together to give the impression it is saying something.

So very, very sadly I'll have to say - it's yet another sCAM.
 
I thought that the machine that cures pain has already been invented:

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There's a claim on their website that it's been tested against placebo, but (surprise, surprise) no reference to anything published, and in fact no details of how the test was carried out; it doesn't even say whether it was blinded.
 
"It works by charging up the cells, energising the cells and a fully energised cell is able to do its job far more effectively," Dr Stubbs said.

"And if you're energising the healing cells, the body can heal itself far more effectively," he said.
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Couldn't you energise your cells by, for example, taking a couple of glucose tablets instead of faffing about with this machine?
 
Mojo said:
Couldn't you energise your cells by, for example, taking a couple of glucose tablets instead of faffing about with this machine?
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I believe some countries call batteries cells and you can often recharge those types of cells so perhaps he suffers from a Behe-like inability to understand what metaphor and simile are and therefore thinks that since human cells are called cells they are cells so can be re-charged. ;)
 
Seven's Today Tonight is a clone and direct competitor for A Current Affair on Network Nine. Curiously, they usually show the same "stories" at the same time on the same night...collusion? Say not so! :D

Neither of them have a good reputation for balanced news presentation. Their usual schtick is chasing foot-in-the-door shonky cars dealers and promoting the latest "breakthrough! amazing! scientific!" gadget, etc. Think Jerry Springer with low-grade reportage... Certainly nowhere near the reputation of programs like 60 Minutes or, for Australians, Four Corners.

Their real and overriding interest is in evening TV ratings, NOT scientific accuracy. ACA particularly have a stinky reputation with the Australian Skeptics after a particularly disreputable episode a while back (see www.skeptics.org.au for more details).

So don't read too much into what Today Tonight broadcast. It's almost certain NOT to be balanced OR researched.
 
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Darat said:
I believe some countries call batteries cells and you can often recharge those types of cells so perhaps he suffers from a Behe-like inability to understand what metaphor and simile are and therefore thinks that since human cells are called cells they are cells so can be re-charged. ;)
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FYI: Not called that here. A cell is a biological entity, or a gaol cell possibly.

So "Dr" Stubbs sounds like a NON-genuine article. Typical ropey effort from these reporters! :rolleyes:
 
Down to details: A few excerpts from their website...
TGA (Therapeutic goods Act) market approval for pain and wound healing in the Australasian market...
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This means it is simply registered as a therapeutic product. It says nothing about safety, relaibility, and especially nothing about efficacy. This is a typical loophole in our law these sharks go through that has long since needed closing.
The human body runs on energy much the same as any electrical system. Each cell in our body is a miniature battery, which may need recharging from time to time.
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Total Bollocks!! :D

If these people actually DID give this paper at UCLA, as they claim, I'm surprised that we didn't hear the laughter from here!

Here's a presentation in 2004 that is even more laughable! It appears "electrons flowing smoothly through the body" are what's needed...along acupuncture meridians, of course! Note not one mention of placebo-controlled blinded testing. :rolleyes: :D

I'm not surprised that this product is not actually Australian - it's an import of a crackpot product from the USA, being sold out of Australia's nutbaggery haven - South East Queensland. They grow good ganja there too...! ;)

However I AM surprised that the main proponent of this product seems to be a well-qualified US surgeon and doctor. REALLY surprised...perhaps TOO surprised to accept it on face value. The quality of these presentations alone seem to be well below even acceptable standard for basic undergraduate submission, and certainly not of a standard expected by such a professional. My skeptical radar says that these "papers" on this website are actually highly edited and "repositioned" versions of the real papers that were submitted, and the good doctor is actually unaware of what is being said in his name. And have a look at the referenced titles as well - they do not seem to correspond to the content being quoted...

Bleep bleep bleep BZZZT! Not convinced...
 
Mojo,

Couldn't you energise your cells by, for example, taking a couple of glucose tablets instead of faffing about with this machine?
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Or just drink a Pepsi. :D

And unlike this machine, sugar has been scientifically shown to have a pain-relieving effect.


Dr. Stupid
 
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Each cell in our body is a miniature battery, which may need recharging from time to time.
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Can I swap my old cells for the new longer lasting Duracell Advanced cells?
 
Hands up any medico who thinks this stuff is a high quality presentation...
 
OK, let's have a bit more of a look around the website and see what else it says.

Claims to have been ignored or persecuted by the establishment?
Medicine has historically been very slow to accept new ideas even when there is substantial proof of there efficacy. The new concept is generally in opposition to a long held view of how things work and what treatments are effective even when these dogmas have little or no evidence behind them. It is this culture within the medical community that forms one of the significant obstacles to progress. Dr. Wendell’s device and the revolutionary concepts that form the basis of their design unfortunately fall into this category.
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Check.

Appeal to antiquity?
The earliest recorded use of electricity for healing dates from 2750BC...
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Check.

Claims to have been proven to work but no references to any published sources?
It has been shown...
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Check.

Uses a definition of "energy" which is apparently different from that used by science?
At the same time, the electromagnetic field conducts the waves of electrons through the body, just as an ocean conducts waves of water to the shore, has powerful energetic properties that recharge the energy potential, rebalance the electromagnetic polarity, and restore the functional integrity of each and every one of the 75 trillion cells in the body.
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Check.

Misuse of the term "quantum leap?"
As we rediscover the energetic body and embrace the knowledge in a holistic approach to our treatment armamentarium we will experience a quantum leap forward in the battle to alleviate chronic degenerative conditions and slow the clock of ageing.
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Check.

Anecdotal evidence?
Two of the most impressive cases that I have observed are present below:
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Check.

Testimonials?
"...I’m a hair stylist..."
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Check.

Claims to be free from side effects?
The devices are safe, easy to use and free of side effects.
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Check.

Quotes Einstein?
“Everything in Life is vibration”
...Albert Einstein
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Check.

Mentions Tesla?
With the discovery of Alternating Current by Tesla...
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Check.

well, I could go on all day, but that looks like plenty to feed into the Woo-woo detector.

OK, let's see what happens...

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Mojo said:
OK, let's have a bit more of a look around the website and see what else it says.

Claims to have been ignored or persecuted by the establishment? Check.

Appeal to antiquity? Check.

Claims to have been proven to work but no references to any published sources? Check.

Uses a definition of "energy" which is apparently different from that used by science? Check.

Misuse of the term "quantum leap?" Check.

Anecdotal evidence? Check.

Testimonials? Check.

Claims to be free from side effects?Check.

Quotes Einstein? Check.

Mentions Tesla? Check.

well, I could go on all day, but that looks like plenty to feed into the Woo-woo detector.

OK, let's see what happens...

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:D

Someone should make an actual checklist along these lines.
 
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