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Mephisto

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Mephisto
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Just wondering if we're expected to "stay the course," regarding our support for the troops or if we can stop to realize that some of what is happening to our troops is the direct result of their actions.

Evidence altered, hidden in probe of Iraqi deaths
Case involves killings of 24 civilians in Haditha by Marines
David S. Cloud, New York Times

Friday, August 18, 2006

(08-18) 04:00 PDT Washington -- A high-level military investigation into the killings of 24 Iraqis in Haditha in November has uncovered instances in which U.S. Marines involved in the episode appear to have destroyed or withheld evidence, according to two Defense Department officials briefed on the case.

The investigation found that a company logbook of the unit involved had been tampered with and that an incriminating video taken by an aerial drone the day of the killings was not given to investigators until Lt. Gen. Peter W. Chiarelli, the second-ranking commander in Iraq, intervened, the officials said.

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/08/18/MNGF9KKT6A1.DTL
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Link graciously provided by Mr. Peptoabysmal
 
I wouldn`t worry about it Mephisto...it`s bound to be the only time anything like that happened and even then, see how it got discovered and is being investigated, unlike it would have been had anything similar happened under Saddam`s regime....freedom...turrists...hate our values...it`s war, war is hell, bad things happen (funny how its always those who don`t fight that are so relaxed about using that epithet) a few bad apples...murder? hell no, the troops are under so much stress and it`s only Iraqis... blah blah blah
(Just trying to immunize you a bit before the apologists toddle along)
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Yep, because 'demon' is/was there, and 'demon' knows what happened.
 
Funny you should say about people being there...but that can wait.

Fear not Azure, I`ll get to you and your "timeline" later...I`m just having a spot of dinner right now.

PS...thats "The Demon" to you;)
 
demon said:
Funny you should say about people being there...but that can wait.

Fear not Azure, I`ll get to you and your "timeline" later...I`m just having a spot of dinner right now.

PS...thats "The Demon" to you;)
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:D

I'm anxious. :)
 
There's nothing in this article that demonstrates the Marines tampered with evidence. If your expectations and realizations are based upon what is printed in the New York Times, then I don't expect much in terms of rational inquiry, let alone support for our troops
 
csense said:
There's nothing in this article that demonstrates the Marines tampered with evidence. If your expectations and realizations are based upon what is printed in the New York Times, then I don't expect much in terms of rational inquiry, let alone support for our troops
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I didn't realize it was the article's intent to prove that assertion.

My expectations are based on real-life wartime experience and the knowledge that all wars will have their human-rights abuses, which is why you don't send troops into needless situations and why you don't send troops into situations for which they were not intended. Playing policeman in Bagdhad is a perfect example.

I hold every bit of respect and sympathy for our troops and have always spoken (or written) with their behalf in mind, unlike our fearless leaders who have a smidgen of military service between them.
 
csense said:
There's nothing in this article that demonstrates the Marines tampered with evidence. If your expectations and realizations are based upon what is printed in the New York Times, then I don't expect much in terms of rational inquiry, let alone support for our troops
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Yeah Mephisto, why do you hate the troops?
 
Mephisto said:
Ummmm, because of rational inquiry? ;)
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I blame the big, bad, librul and eevil New York Times. It's not that the president is a moron or the troops commit atrocities, it's that the librul media conspires to report these facts so that no one will love America. It's true, Ann Coulter and Sean Hannity told me so.
 
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Yes, and I'm to believe that your statement in the opening post and the article are mutually exlusive....

Think before you post. Words have consequences, especially in a time of war. I'm surprised that your "real-life wartime experience and knowledge" didn't teach you that....
 
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Grow up. You're not only embarrssing yourself, but you're embarrassing this forum.
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Coming from a guy who says drivel like this:

If your expectations and realizations are based upon what is printed in the New York Times, then I don't expect much in terms of rational inquiry, let alone support for our troops.
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that's a complement.
 
I stand behind what I said given the opening post. Other than that, I respectfully refrain from commenting further to someone such as yourself....
 
csense said:
I stand behind what I said given the opening post. Other than that, I respectfully refrain from commenting further to someone such as yourself....
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Thanks for the complement. :)
 
Just add him to your ignore list, csense.

His comments prove his intelligence.
 
Yeah, that'll work....'least I hope so. After all, how many Texans can there be on this forum :D
 
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Yes, and I'm to believe that your statement in the opening post and the article are mutually exlusive....
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What statement? The one where I asserted that despicable actions like these are affecting the security of troops all through Iraq? I suppose you'd still support Lyndie England and her fun-filled friends? They did a lot to bolster support for our occupation, didn't they?

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Think before you post. Words have consequences, especially in a time of war. I'm surprised that your "real-life wartime experience and knowledge" didn't teach you that....
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No $hit, junior - and in spite of what you believe might hurt the troops morale, nothing hurts it more than having no mission other than survive the war only to come home (homefully unscathed) to find our economy can't support you and your skills aren't needed here at home.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/Careers/07/07/vet.jobs/index.html
 
Mephisto said:
What statement? The one where I asserted that despicable actions like these are affecting the security of troops all through Iraq? I suppose you'd still support Lyndie England and her fun-filled friends? They did a lot to bolster support for our occupation, didn't they?



No $hit, junior - and in spite of what you believe might hurt the troops morale, nothing hurts it more than having no mission other than survive the war only to come home (homefully unscathed) to find our economy can't support you and your skills aren't needed here at home.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/Careers/07/07/vet.jobs/index.html
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There is no evidence in your link to suggest that the economy cannot support the veteran's skills. Rather, it seemed more a commercial for careerbuilder.com. The vets didn't know how to get their skills across on their resumes and the companies didn't know what skills applied to their businesses' needs.
 
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