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Lemon Test Results

Prester John

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Ok as promised i have conducted the tests on the harmonisers' ability to alter the pH of lemons as discussed here:
http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=41978

The testing was done on a gold plated Harmoniser supplied via Mr C. Agar. The harmoniser is predicted to change the pH of the lemons upto 0.2 towards neutral.

pH was measured using a pH Boy, supplied by CAMLAB, this uses an ISFET pH sensor, is calibrated using a 2 point pH 4.0 and 6.9 calibration. The range is 2.0 to 12.0 with a reproducibility of +/- 0.1. Temperature of operation was 21.3 C. This was recalibrated every other pH measurement.

8 lemons were tested. This was done in 2 groups of 4. Each lemon in the group was cut in 2 halves and labelled. One half was placed with 5cm of the harmoniser, the other half 10ft away in a different room. The lemon halves were left for a minimum of 10 minutes and then the pH measured. Juice was extracted using a plastic pipette and a drop put on the pH meter. Each lemon half had its pH measured twice, unless the pH measurements disagreed in which case a third measurement was taken. The position of the test and control groups was switched for the second set of 4 lemons.
 
Results

Lemon------Test Results-----------Control Results

A------------2.6 2.6------------------ 2.6 2.6
B------------2.4 2.4-------------------2.4 2.4
C------------2.5 2.5-------------------2.5 2.5
D---------2.4 2.5 2.5----------------2.5 2.5
E------------2.5 2.5-------------------2.5 2.5
F------------2.5 2.5-------------------2.5 2.5
G------------2.5 2.5-------------------2.5 2.5
H-------------2.5 2.5------------------2.5 2.5



Me an my Lab now smell of Lemons.
 
Now dissect the "harmonizer".

Pictures please.

This is consistant with the ancient and nobel practice of "drawing and quartering" for high crimes. Or, upon reflection, of judicial dissection in order that a malfactor might contribute something to the common good.
 
Prester John said:
Results

Lemon------Test Results-----------Control Results

A------------2.6 2.6------------------ 2.6 2.6
B------------2.4 2.4-------------------2.4 2.4
C------------2.5 2.5-------------------2.5 2.5
D---------2.4 2.5 2.5----------------2.5 2.5
E------------2.5 2.5-------------------2.5 2.5
F------------2.5 2.5-------------------2.5 2.5
G------------2.5 2.5-------------------2.5 2.5
H-------------2.5 2.5------------------2.5 2.5



Me an my Lab now smell of Lemons.
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I smell a lemon too! :D
 
Prester John said:
Results

Lemon------Test Results-----------Control Results

A------------2.6 2.6------------------ 2.6 2.6
B------------2.4 2.4-------------------2.4 2.4
C------------2.5 2.5-------------------2.5 2.5
D---------2.4 2.5 2.5----------------2.5 2.5
E------------2.5 2.5-------------------2.5 2.5
F------------2.5 2.5-------------------2.5 2.5
G------------2.5 2.5-------------------2.5 2.5
H-------------2.5 2.5------------------2.5 2.5



Me an my Lab now smell of Lemons.
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For some reason I'm not surprised by the results, thanks for the attempt, though.

There is one thing that has been bothering me with Cogreslab's "experiments", and that is that most (many? all?) the samples in his "experiments" have the fluid or sample to be tested in physical contact with the Harmoniser, either directly or indirectly. For instance, a sample will either be flowed over the surface of a Harmoniser or be linked physically by a wire.

My gut reaction to this is that all that is being tested is the possible contamination of a sample by the copper of the Harmoniser, the possible copper-oxide on the surface or similarly contaminated by surface particles on the gold wire (pure? plated?) that Cogreslab indicates in their reports.

Unfortunately, the reports are so poorly written that it is not evident which samples are in direct contact with the Harmoniser and if it *is* in contact, there is no control for possible contamination.

Prester (may I call you John?), I was wondering if you might be able to sacrifice a couple of more lemons to see if contact with the Harmoniser makes a difference in the pH test? That is, place one half of the lemon cut-side (ie flesh) down on the harmoniser and perform your test in the same way as you have done. To also replicate your first experiment, you'd also want to dribble the extracted juice across the Harmoniser.

As a "control", how about performing the same test on an ordinary piece of copper pipe and, as I believe the Harmoniser you have is plated, trying the same test on a similarly plated object. Is there any indication on what the composition of the plating is?

Anyway - jst a thought that has been bugging me about Cogreslab's "experiments" on this do-hickey[sp?]
 
Prester John said:
Results

Lemon------Test Results-----------Control Results

A------------2.6 2.6------------------ 2.6 2.6
B------------2.4 2.4-------------------2.4 2.4
C------------2.5 2.5-------------------2.5 2.5
D---------2.4 2.5 2.5----------------2.5 2.5
E------------2.5 2.5-------------------2.5 2.5
F------------2.5 2.5-------------------2.5 2.5
G------------2.5 2.5-------------------2.5 2.5
H-------------2.5 2.5------------------2.5 2.5
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I will go out on a limb and say those results are not statistically significant. :)
 
jzs said:


I will go out on a limb and say those results are not statistically significant. :)
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The columns don't line up so there is definately an indication of an effect.

When do we get to the dissection?
 
EHocking said:

For some reason I'm not surprised by the results, thanks for the attempt, though.

There is one thing that has been bothering me with Cogreslab's "experiments", and that is that most (many? all?) the samples in his "experiments" have the fluid or sample to be tested in physical contact with the Harmoniser, either directly or indirectly. For instance, a sample will either be flowed over the surface of a Harmoniser or be linked physically by a wire.

My gut reaction to this is that all that is being tested is the possible contamination of a sample by the copper of the Harmoniser, the possible copper-oxide on the surface or similarly contaminated by surface particles on the gold wire (pure? plated?) that Cogreslab indicates in their reports.

Unfortunately, the reports are so poorly written that it is not evident which samples are in direct contact with the Harmoniser and if it *is* in contact, there is no control for possible contamination.

Prester (may I call you John?), I was wondering if you might be able to sacrifice a couple of more lemons to see if contact with the Harmoniser makes a difference in the pH test? That is, place one half of the lemon cut-side (ie flesh) down on the harmoniser and perform your test in the same way as you have done. To also replicate your first experiment, you'd also want to dribble the extracted juice across the Harmoniser.

As a "control", how about performing the same test on an ordinary piece of copper pipe and, as I believe the Harmoniser you have is plated, trying the same test on a similarly plated object. Is there any indication on what the composition of the plating is?

Anyway - jst a thought that has been bugging me about Cogreslab's "experiments" on this do-hickey[sp?]
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You might stretch some Saran Wrap (tm) over the Harmonizer and put the lemon in contact against that.
 
Ed said:
You might stretch some Saran Wrap (tm) over the Harmonizer and put the lemon in contact against that.
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Well the point I was making was that any contaminants, oxides, whatever on the metal that is in contact with the sample being tested may be what is being tested and not the "harmonising" properties of the copper tube. It seems that this circumstance has not been properly controlled for. Wrapping the copper tube in plastic wrap doesn't test whether the surface of the tubing is causing any effect in the samples. It is evident in Mr.Coghill's "experiments" that he has not set up proper controls for his tests - and I believe that this control should be one of them.
 
I was wondering if you might be able to sacrifice a couple of more lemons to see if contact with the Harmoniser makes a difference in the pH test? That is, place one half of the lemon cut-side (ie flesh) down on the harmoniser and perform your test in the same way as you have done.
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Ok, and this will show if physical contact with the harmoniser will cause a change in the pH. If this occurs i'll do a third expt using a gold plated copper thingy as a control to check that its not just the effect of the gold plated copper but the harmonisers special "properties".

After everyone is happy i can either mail the harmoniser on or disect, forums choice.
 
Prester John said:


After everyone is happy i can either mail the harmoniser on or disect, forums choice.
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(unruly crowd of very angry Jews massed in front of Pilate)

(Crowd) Dissect him! Dissect him!

(exhunt)
 
Prester John said:

After everyone is happy i can either mail the harmoniser on or disect, forums choice.
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Test the magical properties of the "imploded" water that is supposed to be inside the harmoniser!
 
I am disappointed that Carla has not had anything to say about the test results. Or cogreslab who is after all selling the stuff!
 
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