Judge overruled Sebelius's OTC Morning After Pill Ban. Obama Administration Appeals.

[Tsukasa Buddha]

In December 2011, the secretary of health and human services, Kathleen Sebelius, blocked the sale of the drug to young girls, saying there was not enough data to prove it would be safe. Last month Judge Edward R. Korman of United States District Court for the Eastern District of New York criticized that decision as overtly political and ordered the administration to make the contraceptive widely available.

Linky.

The FDA had been poised to lift all age limits and let Plan B sell over-the-counter in late 2011, when Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius, in an unprecedented move, overruled her own scientists. Sebelius said some girls as young as 11 are physically capable of bearing children, but shouldn't be able to buy the pregnancy-preventing pill on their own.

Linky.

I was very happy when the ruling came out, but I guess the issue will continue.

 

[Lowpro]

And now it's being appealed. Don't know why anyone OTHER than the FDA would be qualified to make that call but oh well...

 

[casebro]

Sebelius = Lithuanian = Catholic?

 

[WildCat]

Sebelius = Lithuanian = Catholic?

Irrelevant, she answers to Obama.

 

[WildCat]

And now it's being appealed. Don't know why anyone OTHER than the FDA would be qualified to make that call but oh well...

It's clearly a political call, she had to overrule the FDA's own scientists. Sebelius has no medical or scientific qualifications, she was a political science grad and a career bureaucrat and politician.

 

[theprestige]

Sebelius = Lithuanian = Catholic?

Ethnic stereotypes? Really?

That's your thought process? Government official adopts a position you find disagreeable, so you start speculating she might be a crypto-Catholic based on the ethnicity of her surname?

How is this line of reasoning any different--or any less disgusting--than speculating that someone's fiscal policies are suspect because their surname, Goldberg, suggests they might be a corrupt Jew banker?

 

[casebro]

Ethnic stereotypes? Really?

That's your thought process? Government official adopts a position you find disagreeable, so you start speculating she might be a crypto-Catholic based on the ethnicity of her surname?

How is this line of reasoning any different--or any less disgusting--than speculating that someone's fiscal policies are suspect because their surname, Goldberg, suggests they might be a corrupt Jew banker?

You straw man doesn't hold water. We are not talking Jews= cheap, I asked about whether she is Catholic, and anti-abortion. Or didn't you see my "?" ?

Just as there are democrats that are pro-gun, I'm sure there are also dems who are anti-abortion. Who might be catholic.

So feel free to attack my argument, not ME. Present some facts- Is she Lithuanian? Is she Catholic? Is she anti-abortion?

P.S.- I am Lithuanian, raised catholic, and am undecided on abortion. Except that men also ought to have an equal legal right to severe ties to a fetus.

 

[Minoosh]

Is this a case of sticking with a position for the sake of sticking with it? Plan B is safer than bringing an 11-year-old's pregnancy to term.

I'm guessing the concern is that people will think it protects them from STDs.

 

[TimCallahan]

Sebelius = Lithuanian = Catholic?

In point of fact, the surname Sebelius is Finnish, as in the composer Jean Sebelius (1865 - 1957). However, according to the Wikipedia entry on her, Sebelius is her married name. Her maiden name is Gilligan (from the site):

Sebelius was born and raised in Cincinnati, Ohio, the daughter of Mary Kathryn (née Dixon) and John Joyce "Jack" Gilligan.[3][4] Her family was Roman Catholic, and had Irish ancestry.

Despite her being from an Irish Catholic background, however, she is staunchly pro-abortion.

 

[G6000]

Give a kid an aspirin without parents' permission, and you can be held liable for any negative outcome that follows.

Give a kid a tattoo without the parents' permission, you can lose your license.

But what the hell, give the kid a morning after pill without adult supervision! Who cares if the parents don't know she's being molested by the next door neighbor?

 

[I Am The Scum]

Her maiden name is Gilligan

So that explains it. Being cooped up on that island for so long has clearly gotten to her head.

 

[IDB87]

Give a kid an aspirin without parents' permission, and you can be held liable for any negative outcome that follows.

Give a kid a tattoo without the parents' permission, you can lose your license.

But what the hell, give the kid a morning after pill without adult supervision! Who cares if the parents don't know she's being molested by the next door neighbor?

I heard this argument on the way in to work this morning. I don't get it, really. It's bordering on a weird sort of victim blaming, suggesting that the molested person would not come forward after their attack out of shame, encouraging the molestation to continue unabated, and that the availability of this pill encourages the molestation to continue to happen.

Could you expand this argument to a point where it makes sense?

 

[G6000]

I heard this argument on the way in to work this morning. I don't get it, really. It's bordering on a weird sort of victim blaming, suggesting that the molested person would not come forward after their attack out of shame, encouraging the molestation to continue unabated, and that the availability of this pill encourages the molestation to continue to happen.

Could you expand this argument to a point where it makes sense?

A child's judgement center in the brain is not fully developed. They are literally physiologically incapable of making adult decisions. That's why it is still rape even if a child "consents" to sex with an adult.

A child, having poor judgement, may be taking great risks. Not just by "consenting" to having sex with an adult who can run circles around their undeveloped defenses, but also by having unprotected sex with a peer. The fact they are asking for a morning after pill screams they are taking great risks. They are having unprotected sex with who knows who.


That is why they need parental oversight. Hijacking parental oversight in the name of sexual wantonness is putting children at risk.

Can you grasp that, kiddo?

 

[ehcks]

A child's judgement center in the brain is not fully developed. They are literally physiologically incapable of making adult decisions. That's why it is still rape even if a child "consents" to sex with an adult.

A child, having poor judgement, may be taking great risks. Not just by "consenting" to having sex with an adult who can run circles around their undeveloped defenses, but also by having unprotected sex with a peer. The fact they are asking for a morning after pill screams they are taking great risks. They are having unprotected sex with who knows who.


That is why they need parental oversight. Hijacking parental oversight in the name of sexual wantonness is putting children at risk.

Can you grasp that, kiddo?

Are you suggesting that the child should get pregnant because that's the only way their parents will ever know what's happening?

 

[G6000]

If someone tried to give the pill to one of my underaged daughters without my knowledge, I would beat that person to a bloody pulp if I found out.

Not joking. Whether or not they would be dead at the end of the experience would be 50/50.

 

[G6000]

Are you suggesting that the child should get pregnant because that's the only way their parents will ever know what's happening?

I am saying it be required the parents be informed before a medication is given to a minor. Are you being deliberately obtuse?

 

[ponderingturtle]

Give a kid an aspirin without parents' permission, and you can be held liable for any negative outcome that follows.

But this isn't giving it to them this is allowing them to buy it, legally very different situation.

 

[ponderingturtle]

If someone tried to give the pill to one of my underaged daughters without my knowledge, I would beat that person to a bloody pulp if I found out.

Not joking. Whether or not they would be dead at the end of the experience would be 50/50.

So you would beat your daughters to death for wanting this, well it is a traditional honor killing...

 

[Lowpro]

A child's judgement center in the brain is not fully developed. They are literally physiologically incapable of making adult decisions. That's why it is still rape even if a child "consents" to sex with an adult.

A child, having poor judgement, may be taking great risks. Not just by "consenting" to having sex with an adult who can run circles around their undeveloped defenses, but also by having unprotected sex with a peer. The fact they are asking for a morning after pill screams they are taking great risks. They are having unprotected sex with who knows who.


That is why they need parental oversight. Hijacking parental oversight in the name of sexual wantonness is putting children at risk.

Can you grasp that, kiddo?

You realize the Morning After pill has no influence over the risk of pregnancy right? It's a post-coital drug and not a pre-coital one... so what does this have to do with the kid's judgment? The screwing already happened after all...

Trying to lump the morning after pill into your logic would be like installing air bags into their car behind your back. Air bags don't prevent wrecks but if they happen they prevent death...The risk exists without the air bags (and the risk of pregnancy exists without the pill) but air bags decrease the damages that occur during a wreck. You're a parent, use some adult arguments and not ridiculous childish logic.

 

[casebro]

Somebody is anti "The Pill" and is data mining for justification re: Plan B ?

But back to the OP, has Sibelius explained her reasoning? Parental rights seems so GOP.