Holy cow, I start a thread on Hutchison and I'm accused of being HIM! Wow, amazing. I'm not John Hutchison. Moderators, check my IP. I'm not even from British Columbia.
Case Sensitive said:
Pinocchio became a member and the first and only thing he did was to start this thread. Giving out the full name, phone number and abilities of this "unknown" guy he found on the internet. And gave us a whole lot of "evidence"... Is Pinocchios nose growing because of the Hutchison Effect or because he is lying?
I'm lying? Where are my lies? Surely you would not want to embarrass yourself by failing to substantiate a serious accusation like that?
I gave the phone number, just in case anybody seriously wanted to know more. This is the number Hutchison himself is spreading around as his legit phone number. And for your information, the first time I ever heard about this guy was a few years ago in an alternative energy documentary.
About the flying UFO video: I've seen it and I think it's fake. But that's also all I can conclusively proclaim as fake at this point. I have no idea what he was thinking when he faked that one.
On the other hand, not many of you seem to have bothered to check out the links, otherwise we wouldn't be reading stuff like...well, just see AnotherSillyAlias' and scratchy's posts.
Ice cream on a thread? Water out of the glass on a thread? Rotating cannon ball on a thread? Is that the best you can do? Advancing these stupidities that clearly do not explain anything seen in the videos [camera upside down, magnets... now that would be a little better, but stuff hanging on threads? Are you 10?] doesn't exactly make me think we're dealing with rational individuals here.
eri said:
Yep. All John has to do is become invisible in front of Randi. That should do it. And anyone can levitate if no one is watching too closely.
I hear this effect is kind of hard to reproduce. Even for Hutchison himself. Most of the time nothing happens. I don't think anyone is at a stage where they could replicate it at will. Not even Hutchison.
Case Sensitive said:
No, they did not. On plenty of occasions. I don't know about every single test, naturally. Couple of times nothing happened. That's all I know. Why don't you read the documents link and check out all the picture galleries as they include scanned documents as well?
Mr. Randi is not in the debunking business; he is in the testing and verification business for paranormal events. Since they don't work, he is often seen as a debunker.
Well, if that's true, great. But I don't think JREF is involved in the actual testing, except as observers. Anyway, it appears to me there's a little more to it than meets the eye, but I do understand that the vast majority of claims are pathetic any way you look at them.
Hutch said:
Well, those are--unusual --talents, but is it done by some new principal of physics or by mind power?
How would I know? I think the consensus is that our present laws of physics are wrong. They do not universally apply. In certain circumstances they do not apply at all. Even though there's been at least a few characters endorsing the view that Hutchison himself [mentally] is responsible for the effect, I don't think that's the case.
Hutch said:
To sum up, if he has something, then present a proposed double-blind test to Randi and see if he accepts it. Given the wide abilities of the HE, it should be relatively easy to double-blind test 1 or 2 of the 4 speicified effects without much time or trouble.
I'm not even sure he knows about the One Million Dollar Challenge. Probably doesn't. I started this thread to acquaint everyone with this phenomenon. If true, it clearly is paranormal, and it's supported by a lot more than anecdotal evidence. This should be of JREF's interest, no? If mr. Randi thinks it's worthwhile investigating Dennis Lee and Joe Newman [in my opinion, these two should be locked up for fraud, rather than investigated by skeptics - watch it now as Newman appears on this forum and threatens to sue me for slander
], which he has done and documented in his commentaries over the years. Surely Hutchison, with all the government involvement, one cubic meter of documents and a ton of sample material, should at least be checked out some time in the future?
Reginald said:
That "bar" in the video looks like something wrapped in smoothed ali foil to me.
Mhm. Let me see that one more time. It's a better possible explanation than what AnotherSillyAlias and scratchy are capable of reporting, yes.
I think there are many other videos out there, though. Would be interesting to see them. I haven't personally seen all the available material on this effect. There should be other metals, some even becoming invisible.
Kliess said:
Pinocchio - I look forward to reading their challenge application. Check out the FAQ or (for a nice outline) perhaps you may like to view the one for Leonard W Clampett, where Kramer has suggested how to set out an application.
I don't think a challenge application on his part is likely [his equipment was seized in 1990 - PCB scandal; read the Vancouver Sun, Feb 22 1990 edition], unless he gets some major funding. But then again, it's not as unlikely as Sylvia Browne's or Uri Geller's, yet they are regular guests at
randi.org. Despite the fact we all know they're 100% fake! Why waste time on them?
Hutch said:
And copies of those test results are available where...
Well, some are on the websites you don't have the time to read. Others might be available upon request from Hutchison personally.
Hutch said:
And the test reports are available where?
Well, they're classified. And guess what, they're not even available to Hutchison himself. I've seen some request letters he had apparently written, with clear answers: "
you can't have them, it's a matter of national security". Man, if this guy's a cheat, he goes to insanely extreme measures faking small stuff like this, don't you think? Maybe he's faking his junk and the absence of a toilet too. Must be there somewhere, transparent.
