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John Edwards Wants US To Enforce No-Fly Zone In Darfur

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So a few minutes ago on George Stephanopoulos's show on ABC Edwards says he wants the US to do more in Darfur. George asked him if that included US troops, to which Edwards fumbled and hawed and said no, that would make it worse. But he then advocated that the US enforce a no-fly zone in the region since Sudan is using air power to support the janjaweed.

This is the guy who wants to be Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces? A few facts: Darfur is ~1,000 miles from the Red Sea, the closest the US Navy could get an aircraft carrier. There are no US air bases in the region from which to launch land-based aircraft. So how in the world does this idiot think the US could enforce a no-fly zone in Darfur?

It's not like Edwards is new to this game, it's his second presidential run. Makes me wonder what he actually knows about anything.
 
varwoche said:
Hmm...
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I'll give Dole a pass, he may be addled by age. But McCain also apparently has no idea either about the geography involved or the range of fighter aircraft. May as well call on the Intergalactic Alliance for help here.

I'm also not sure why this is a NATO issue.

Ideally, African states in the region should help out here but Chad has its own problems (and is actually involved in Darfur already), Libya is a joke and the other border states are too poor to do much.

Perhaps NATO is the only hope, but the logistics just aren't there to enforce a no-fly zone so far from a support base.
 
Edwards, McCain, Dole, Biden, Blair, and the US State Dept are aware there are other options, e.g. French bases in Chad. But don't let that stop you from belittling them.

Wildcat said:
Makes me wonder what he I actually knows about anything.
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Was Edwards presenting a detailed list of steps to achieve this particular goal? If not, perhaps "acquire a base nearby" was one of the unstated preliminaries. Like "fill the planes with fuel", which was also not mentioned, but somewhat important nonetheless.
 
varwoche said:
Edwards, McCain, Dole, Biden, Blair, and the US State Dept are aware there are other options, e.g. French bases in Chad. But don't let that stop you from belittling them.
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Wait a minute... you think the French will get involved? Will they quit those no-fly zones after a few years or as soon as they get shot at like they did in Iraq? Will they actually allow combat operations to be flown from said base? Have the French ever been a reliable ally?

And btw, that French base is still ~600 miles from the Darfur region.
 
TragicMonkey said:
Was Edwards presenting a detailed list of steps to achieve this particular goal? If not, perhaps "acquire a base nearby" was one of the unstated preliminaries. Like "fill the planes with fuel", which was also not mentioned, but somewhat important nonetheless.
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What Edwards is proposing is that somehow a no-fly zone will be a deterrent to an enemy that travels on horseback.
 
Whoosh! (the sound of goalposts moving hither and yon, quickly yet clumsily)

So when you ranted about Edwards being an idiot, and Dole being addled by age, and McCain having no idea about geography, what you really meant is it's doable, but there are logistical challenges. Got it.
 
Is it okay to admit that no-fly isn't an idiotic statement but to still hold the opinion that John Edwards is an empty suit who should do us a favor and drop out now?
 
WildCat said:
What Edwards is proposing is that somehow a no-fly zone will be a deterrent to an enemy that travels on horseback.
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As to your relocated goalpost...
A no-fly zone would be designed to prevent the Sudanese government using its air force or helicopter gunships in attacks against villages in Darfur. Such attacks have been alleged by UN monitors and human rights organisations. article
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WildCat said:
I'll give Dole a pass, he may be addled by age. But McCain also apparently has no idea either about the geography involved or the range of fighter aircraft.
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Why is McCain not an idiot for endorseing the same thing as Edwards? If the idea is so stupid everyone who supports it must be makeing the same mistake and be equaly an idiot.

Why isn't McCain the idiot and Edwards the one with no idea of the geography involved?
 
varwoche said:
Adding the entire US senate (the resolution was passed unanimously) to the list of people calling for a no-fly zone.
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I love goalposts! Let's compare the standard used to call Edwards an idiot (this allegedly moronic comment on a no-fly zone) versus Bush's unquestionably uninspiring answers to a reporter's pop-quiz on world leaders.

Wildcat, did you vote for Bush Jr.? Twice? Now I see the occasional thread on how Obama and Edwards are not fit to be president. Or Corplinx, you want to call him an "empty-suit," but didn't you also vote for Bush? How many times?

For some reason this recalls to mind a line from Kevin Spacey in _American Beauty_: You never get to tell me what to do ever again.

"Is-our-children-learning" voters are not exactly oozing credibility when it comes to rejecting a candidate based on dumb comments. I can't help but think this has everything to do with party affiliation and nothing to do with content.
 
You do realize the average person would have absolutely no clue that this is so ridiculous in your opinion?

I've also never understood why people post such asinine things about candidates/parties they don't like. Is this the best you can do? This is supposed to convince people on a skeptics forum not to vote for the guy?
 
ponderingturtle said:
Why is McCain not an idiot for endorseing the same thing as Edwards? If the idea is so stupid everyone who supports it must be makeing the same mistake and be equaly an idiot.

Why isn't McCain the idiot and Edwards the one with no idea of the geography involved?
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McCain at least calls for ground troops in Darfur (even if they're "UN troops"), Edwards ruled out any ground troops. And to think you'll end the intentional killing of tens of thousands of civilians in Darfur simply by establishing a "no-fly" zone is an idiotic position.
 
Cain said:
I love goalposts! Let's compare the standard used to call Edwards an idiot (this allegedly moronic comment on a no-fly zone) versus Bush's unquestionably uninspiring answers to a reporter's pop-quiz on world leaders.
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It was not a "po-quiz", Edwards himself brought up the subject of Darfur w/o any prompting at all from Stephanopoulos.

Wildcat, did you vote for Bush Jr.? Twice?
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The correct answer is "zero". I'm against idiotic candidates from any party.

"Is-our-children-learning" voters are not exactly oozing credibility when it comes to rejecting a candidate based on dumb comments. I can't help but think this has everything to do with party affiliation and nothing to do with content.
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Now you've completed the task of being wrong on everything you've speculated about me in this thread.
 
I think the main thesis of this thread is that Edwards is an idiot because Wildcat says so.
 
Whoracle said:
You do realize the average person would have absolutely no clue that this is so ridiculous in your opinion?
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Yes I do. Because the "average person" thinks that all the US has to do to stop an ongoing genocide is to fly a few airplanes thousands of feet over the land where genocide is taking place. No American ground troops needed, in fact that will make it worse according to Edwards. Meanwhile, the AU countries that did put ground troops there put in fewer than needed. But help is on the way!
ADDIS ABABA, Ethiopia — African, Arab, European and U.N. leaders agreed in principle Thursday to a joint African Union and United Nations peacekeeping force for Sudan's Darfur region.

The force could be as large as 27,000 troops, including the existing 7,000-strong African Union peacekeeping force in Darfur, but the leaders did not lay out a timetable for the force to begin work partly because Sudan had some reservations.
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Oops! I guess help won't be on the way because the UN and AU apparently need the permission of the government sponsoring the genocide!

I've also never understood why people post such asinine things about candidates/parties they don't like. Is this the best you can do? This is supposed to convince people on a skeptics forum not to vote for the guy?
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Sorry if I have little patience for those who stand by and talk-talk and worry about diplomatic niceties while genocidal militia groups continue with their task. This includes those from any political party.

If US politicians were really serious about ending the genocide, and don't want to commit ground troops for the effort, the very least they should do is bomb the living hell out of Sudanese military targets. Then the no-fly zones would be a moot point, as there would be nothing left for the Sudanese Air Force to fly. Perhaps after a bit of this they'd rethink their support for the janjaweed and the genocide they're committing.
 
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