Jesus died for our sins?

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I was wondering the other day, why do Christians seem to emphasize this so much? Yes, for an ordinary human being, this might be a very altruistic thing to do, but for an all-powerful god? When you look at the big picture, all of the sinners and unbelievers who are supposedly burning in hell for eternity would seem to suffer a lot more than one person dying on a cross. You'd think god would pull off something more powerful to get his message across.
 
The only answers to such issues is that god works in ways we cannot understand. Be interesting to understand the parameters god operates under if in order to enact his will he has to manifest himself as a human and get himself killed.
 
fidiot said:
I was wondering the other day, why do Christians seem to emphasize this so much? Yes, for an ordinary human being, this might be a very altruistic thing to do, but for an all-powerful god? When you look at the big picture, all of the sinners and unbelievers who are supposedly burning in hell for eternity would seem to suffer a lot more than one person dying on a cross. You'd think god would pull off something more powerful to get his message across.
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Hi Fidiot :

According to your assumption Jesus really existed and died ?
I mean like a normal human.
Or do you think Jesus never existed ?

Thanks,
S&S
 
S&S:

I'm simply looking at the christian belief and trying to see if it makes sense. According to christianity, Jesus was a real person, so in order to evaluate their claim one has to assume that.
 
The real sacrifice would have been jebuz burning in hell for all eternity. But jus dying...is not a real sacrifice for someone who is supposed to be alive and ready to come to earth for the second time....naaaaaah

Believer: JESUS DIED FOR YOU
Me: SO HE WILL NEVER GET BACK BECAUSE HE IS DEAD
Believer: HE IS ALIVE
Me: BUT TO DIE IS TO CEASE TO EXIST
Believer: HE DIED AND THEN RESURRECTED.
Me: SO HE DIDN'T PAY FOR OUR SINS...BECAUSE THE PUNISMENT FOR SIN IS ETERNAL TORMENT AND HE IS NOT IN TORMENT.
Believer: (add replies here)
 
fidiot said:
S&S:

I'm simply looking at the christian belief and trying to see if it makes sense. According to christianity, Jesus was a real person, so in order to evaluate their claim one has to assume that.
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You did not answer my question.

Thanks,
S&S
 
fidiot said:
I was wondering the other day, why do Christians seem to emphasize this so much? Yes, for an ordinary human being, this might be a very altruistic thing to do, but for an all-powerful god? When you look at the big picture, all of the sinners and unbelievers who are supposedly burning in hell for eternity would seem to suffer a lot more than one person dying on a cross. You'd think god would pull off something more powerful to get his message across.
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If Jesus died for our sins, why couldn't he stay dead?
 
I am still waiting for your answer Fidiot.
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According to your assumption Jesus really existed and died ?
I mean like a normal human.
Or do you think Jesus never existed ?
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Then I will debate about your assumption in your opening post.

Thanks,
S&S
 
S&S:

I didn't answer your question because my belief is irrelevant to this topic. I didn't start an argument about my beliefs, I started a discussion about christian beliefs. So if it really bothers you that I don't want to discuss irrelevant matter in this thread, then start a new thread about it.
 
fidiot said:
S&S:

I didn't answer your question because my belief is irrelevant to this topic. I didn't start an argument about my beliefs, I started a discussion about christian beliefs. So if it really bothers you that I don't want to discuss irrelevant matter in this thread, then start a new thread about it.
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You can not start a thread just for mockering in the beleifs of millions of people , since you are not sure or refuse to answer a simple question related to the same topic you started.
If you refuse to do it , then you are just using a Foolosophy.
First the first. Then you can mockery if you want and if you can.

Thanks,
S&S
 
S&S said:


You can not start a thread just for mockering in the beleifs of millions of people , since you are not sure or refuse to answer a simple question related to the same topic you started.
If you refuse to do it , then you are just using a Foolosophy.
First the first. Then you can mockery if you want and if you can.

Thanks,
S&S
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Carlos....you are being a naughty boy again. It is not polite to crash someones thread and start demanding they do things...Naughty carlos!
 
S&S said:
You can not start a thread just for mockering in the beleifs of millions of people , since you are not sure or refuse to answer a simple question related to the same topic you started.
If you refuse to do it , then you are just using a Foolosophy.
First the first. Then you can mockery if you want and if you can.
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Ok, this is the last time I'm going to explain this before I ignore your future posts of similar nature.

First of all, I wasn't "mockering" anyone's beliefs, I'm sorry, but it's all in your head. I was listening to a christian radio show and they had people on who were saying how realizing that "Jesus died for our sins" has made them turn to god, etc. I thought that it didn't make much sense, and so I started this topic to discuss this issue further. So if you don't want to discuss this, don't post here, but don't start hijacking the thread with your irrelevant questions.
 
fidiot said:


Ok, this is the last time I'm going to explain this before I ignore your future posts of similar nature.

First of all, I wasn't "mockering" anyone's beliefs, I'm sorry, but it's all in your head. I was listening to a christian radio show and they had people on who were saying how realizing that "Jesus died for our sins" has made them turn to god, etc. I thought that it didn't make much sense, and so I started this topic to discuss this issue further. So if you don't want to discuss this, don't post here, but don't start hijacking the thread with your irrelevant questions.
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Irrelevant question ? Only under your fear perspective.

What is your fear to answer a simple question?

Thanks,
S&S

P.S.

Next steps : you already know Foolosophy : "troll, ignore buttom, don't feed the trolls, oh that poor english "
 
You know, you just gave me an idea about something.

Jesus dies for our sins so he had to bear the sins of everyone (which I guess represents the suffering on the cross etc). After that, everyone was forgiven. Now the entire world (back then) would be a pretty nasty place, so if Jesus had to die for all sins past and present we're looking at a LOT of sinning. Yet when someone sins a fraction compared to what Jesus had to take on, they are told about eternal damnation (and how they must beg for forgiveness etc etc). If you ask me, the whole christianity has it all backwards... You can sin all you want, if God's punishment for all the sins of the world is to crucify you, then the punishment for the most sinful single life surely must be a few lashes or something.. Forget hell, sin away, if heaven is real you'll most likely get away with a slap on the wrist before being let in.

:D

Lucifuge Rofocale said:
The real sacrifice would have been jebuz burning in hell for all eternity. But jus dying...is not a real sacrifice for someone who is supposed to be alive and ready to come to earth for the second time....naaaaaah

Believer: JESUS DIED FOR YOU
Me: SO HE WILL NEVER GET BACK BECAUSE HE IS DEAD
Believer: HE IS ALIVE
Me: BUT TO DIE IS TO CEASE TO EXIST
Believer: HE DIED AND THEN RESURRECTED.
Me: SO HE DIDN'T PAY FOR OUR SINS...BECAUSE THE PUNISMENT FOR SIN IS ETERNAL TORMENT AND HE IS NOT IN TORMENT.
Believer: (add replies here)
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The easy way out.

While most criminals crucified took 48 hours to die of slow strangulation, Jesus 'died' in three hours. Further, presumably as a divine being, what real pain would he feel? Then, of course, he was taken down and later resurrected.

I think Xians should revise their trademarked tag line to:

"Jesus suffered three hours of minor annoyance for your sins (p.s. the sins that God put into you to begin with)."
 
Maybe god could just stop blaming us for 2 shmoes eating an apple millions of years ago instead of all this rigamorall to forgive us for something we didnt do.
 
And why blame those two schmos to begin with? He created them without the ability to know the difference between right and wrong.

If you don't know it's 'wrong' - it isn't sin. But I'll roast you anyway.
 
Re: Re: Jesus died for our sins?

c4ts said:


If Jesus died for our sins, why couldn't he stay dead?
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'Cos he had to come back to tell us! "Jesus died because of a rigged poll" doesn't quite have the same evangelical ring to it... ;)
 
Christians! They delegate their wrong-doing to Christ who suffers for them in proxy! 'Let Christ do the suffering,' that's their motto. 'Let Christ be punished in my place.' Christ earns God's grace the hard way, and all they have to do is drink Christ's blood and eat His flesh on Sunday. Christians acquire God's grace secondhand. For this service they are grateful and worship him. Been a popular sales pitch for thousands of years. Christians are the ones who get indignant when THEY get nailed to a cross; they think God's been falling down on HIS job and hire a lawyer to sue him...Your sins aren't transferrable. In the long run you get nailed to your own cross. Christ never saved a single soul but his own.
—Donald Kingsbury
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