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Jeff Hill's latest claim

leftysergeant

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The latest YouTube posting by the notorious crank caller Jeff Hill, posting as pumpitout, claims that it is impossible for a 767 to fly at over 250 mph below 1000 ft. I don't know enough about the physics of flight to answer this. We have pilots here. Maybe they can answer this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2upl977dsy
 
if i had to guess i would say hes equating "impossible" with "not a good idea" or "against FAA regulations"
 
leftysergeant said:
The latest YouTube posting by the notorious crank caller Jeff Hill, posting as pumpitout, claims that it is impossible for a 767 to fly at over 250 mph below 1000 ft. I don't know enough about the physics of flight to answer this. We have pilots here. Maybe they can answer this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2upl977dsy
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He's full of crap. There's nothing to stop a pilot from pushing the throttles to the stops and going over 250mph, which is around 217knots. Not exactly the kind of speed that you have to worry about the exceeding the flight envelope of the 767.
 
I have no piloting experience, and I can tell you that he is FOS on this one.

I do remember reading some CTers claiming that there was some electronic systems aboard certain planes that prevented the plane from reaching such speeds, but I suspect, as usual, the pilot adjusting the throttle himself would override such things...

TAM:)
 
The video has been removed, obviously THEY got to him!
 
Take off speed is between 128 and 205 mph, btw. If it was impossible to fly faster than 250, it would be hard to climb out after take off.
 
I am guessing the author, who no doubt is a frequent lurker here, took it down himself...but of course I am only guessing.

TAM:)
 
The 767 or any other aircraft, for that matter, will go as fast as the pilot is willing to fly it AND the airframe/engines will allow. I thought the myth of "ground effect" precluding low level flight was put to bed a long time ago.

15 and more years ago, during the Cold War, B-52's flew at extremely low level rather routinely. Essentially, there is nothing that would preclude a large aircraft from flying low enough to tie the world record up to the max operating speed which in the case of a 767 is well above 250 KIAS. Hani Hanjour proved the 767 could even go well beyond it's design limiting speed and stay intact. Well, until it hits a building.

This subject is not even a matter for debate or conjecture. Period.
 
Reheat said:
The 767 or any other aircraft, for that matter, will go as fast as the pilot is willing to fly it AND the airframe/engines will allow.
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Piston-engined aircraft can easily surpass 250 MPH at low level. The F4U-4 Corsair could reach 381 MPH; the limited production F2G variant could hit 399 MPH at low altitude.

I would think the far greater thrust available to a jet-engined aircraft would make passing 250 MPH at low altitude a piece of cake.
 
Aren't planes usually flying at least 250 MPH when they are 1,000 feet off the ground before landing? I really have no idea, just saying..
 
T.A.M. said:
I have no piloting experience, and I can tell you that he is FOS on this one.

I do remember reading some CTers claiming that there was some electronic systems aboard certain planes that prevented the plane from reaching such speeds, but I suspect, as usual, the pilot adjusting the throttle himself would override such things...

TAM:)
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What they are probably thinking of are the hard limits on the Airbus A320 and A330/340 series of aircraft. Those limits prevent the pilot from going over a certain AOA or bank angle. It prevents the pilot from getting into to much trouble. Not that it matters since it was two 767's that hit the WTC.

I'm wondering what his point is. Is he trying to say that we did not see a 767 traveling at a high rate of speed hit the south tower?
 
Unfit4Command said:
Aren't planes usually flying at least 250 MPH when they are 1,000 feet off the ground before landing? I really have no idea, just saying..
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Not airliners. They'd have gear and flaps down and be around 160 mph at that altitude, I believe.
 
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CptColumbo said:
[ct]I don't see any windows. Obviously a military bad-boy.[/ct]
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Looks like a false flag is being planned in New Zealand. That plane is with the RNZAF. Ever wonder why gumboot is so interested in the military interception of airliners?
 
AMTMAN said:
What they are probably thinking of are the hard limits on the Airbus A320 and A330/340 series of aircraft.
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and of coruse such limits are only possible because the A320, A330 and A340 are fully fly-by-wire (which 757s and 767s are not)
 
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