The FATICA file is the 2nd largest in my file cabinet, dwarfing most others at about 100 pages of emails that led absolutely nowhere.
The only file bigger than this one is the grand LULOVA file. Oy.
Fatica was interested in the Rosa protocols solely as a starting point for his meanderings. In the end, he claimed to have tested himself and failed, at which point he withdrew his claim.
It would be quite impossible to post the entire correspondence. It would take weeks. I'll do what I can, though, to illustrate the process we went through in our attempts to accomodate him and see his claim tested. I'd say this is perhaps the best example of JREF "bending over backwards" to accomodate an applicant, at least since my arrival here in March.
For clarification:
"JEFF" is the applicant, Jeff FATICA.
"Jim" is Jim Kutz, of South Shore Skeptics.
"Page" is Page Stephens, also of South Shore Skeptics.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Kutz" <jimkutz@sbcglobal.net>
To: "Jeff Fatica" <cbiskit4@orwell.net>
Cc: "Rev. Dr. Page Stephens" <hpst@earthlink.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 7:31 PM
Subject: Jeff, a few additional questions.
> Jeff,
> Thanks again for all your effort brainstorming protocols yesterday.
> I thought of a few additional ideas that might sweeten the deal on getting approval.
> Again, this is all very tentative -- just exploring options.
> I need to know if any of the following would interfere with your ability.
>1. To make the dental floss idea work, we'd need to come up with a "no judging" way to tell when a finger crosses the plane of the grid. The scientists may say that with just four lines of floss, fingers could stray between them. To cover that, I'm thinking of suggesting a beam-break setup. Would light beams passing just under the dental floss interfere with your ability? If you're unsure, I'd suggest trying to send to your partner through a
> flashlight beam passing between your hands.
> We'd be using very low-power light ( less than a tenth the power of a regular flashlight ), in a very thin beam, so that if your finger accidentally touched the light, your fingertip would be lit up and we'd know to discard that trial. You'd know exactly where the beam was, because you'd still have the dental floss as a guide. The equipment would be off to the side somewhere, not in your way.
> 2. Regardless of whether we use a beam-break or not, we'd still need a way for human observers ( and their video cameras ) to see whether your hand crossed the plane of the dental floss. The easiest way to look up from below would be to have mirrors below and off to the side. I can't remember if you said mirrors are good or bad. If mirrors are beneficial, perhaps the tabletop could BE a mirror -- just a thought. Let me know.
> 3. One way to further limit radiant heat and air currents would be to have you and your partner put your hands in a box, and keep the box near body temperature. There's no convection plume, if the surrounding air is the same temperature as the hands. There's much less problem with radiant
heat from hands, if every surface in the box is at the same temperature as the hands, giving off comparable amounts of radiant heat. It's like looking into a kiln when a vase is baking -- you can't see the vase because it's glowing the same shade of red as the walls of the kiln. I don't know if the scientists would want that many safeguards -- I just need to know if having your hands in a warm box would affect your ability, so that can be an option if the scientists raise that concern.
> 4. You offered to allow your hands to be X-rayed. I didn't think to ask if that includes your partner. ( If I were rigging a test, I'd implant a proximity-sensor in the receiver's hand, which would be simpler technically than rigging the sender's hand, and less obvious to detection equipment). I'm not asking your partner to make that offer -- just asking if your offer of a hand X-ray included your partner so I get your offer right.
> 5. Do you want to reserve a few trials for discards, if, say, your hand gets too close to your partner's? Normally, that trial would simply be discarded. But if the most you can do is 30, and you sign up for 30, that doesn't leave any room for discards. If you sign up for 30 and JREF approves it, that means you have to complete 30 after any discards, or JREF will score it incomplete / invalid.
> What you could do is sign up for maybe 25 or 27 trials, so you'd have stamina in reserve if any were discards. Given the small number of trials, you can't afford many extra misses due to fatigue -- just thought I'd point that out.
> Best, Jim
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----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Fatica
To: Jim Kutz
Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 12:51 AM
Subject: protocols
Jim,
Good to hear back from you so quickly. Expedience is a virtue if it doesn't cost anything, and in this case, it hasn't so far.
--I myself was thinking laser light as a way to tell if my hand passed under the tic-tac-toe thread. However, is the beam a thin thread-like beam like the tic-tac-toe pattern or would it be a thin beam with the width of a piece of paper such that my emission would have to go through it all? If I had to pass energy through it, I would have to practice. In either case, it is not my fingers that matter. It is the palm. It is through my palms that the energy will pass--at the laogong point, and if a fraction of a finger somehow passed under the thread, it would be of no consequence to the ability to emit energy specific to a practitioner of bio-energy cultivation. Obviously the palm will not be able to pass under the thread, and the laser light will really be of no use because no energy will be emitted from the fingers.
--As far as the box is considered, I have no idea what you're talking about. I can't visualize this at all, and judging from your rationale, I can't see how this will factor into the test. I'm sure you have a good reason, but its just not coming through to me.
--I can't imagine why Anita (the test participant) would object to an X-ray. I haven't asked her yet, but I'm sure she wouldn't mind. However, I think a simple wanding will be sufficient.
--I can sign up for thirty trials. If there is nothing between my hands and Anita's hands except the aforementioned thread pattern, then I will be able to do thirty trials with no misses. (I believe I have the dexterity not to put hands or fingers through the thread pattern.) If there is a discard, I can make up for it then and there, and I guarantee I'll have the stamina to do a complete total of thirty trials that count for the test.
--Now to the hands...
Here is what I propose:
-The coin is tossed.
-The tosser quietly signals left or right to me.
-I put one hand over the thread pattern over the hand designated by the coin.
-The tosser (or whomever) will light the indicating light at the moment one of my hands is over the designated hand.
-If Anita cannot feel the one hand's emission within 5-7 seconds, I will know and will slowly remove the one hand from over her hand and will slowly move the other hand into position over the indicated hand. Two hands will not be over the indicated hand at any time. The tosser will not have to turn the light off while I change hands.
-I will slowly circle my hand over hers--slowly enough not to set off the motion detectors. If I need to change hands, I will move them slowly enough not to set off the motion detectors. If my hands are moving that slowly, there will not be any wind or fan effect noticeable by the test participant.
-Once she signals left or right, the tosser (or whomever) will turn off the indicating light, and we'll start the whole thing over again.
Here are some random thoughts...
I have no idea how you could "slosh volumes of air" around a suspended tissue moving as slowly as I would move as high as 2 and 1/2 inches away from the target. This doesn't make any sense at all at the speed I would be moving my hands.
If you're still wondering about the "convection plume" and if it can be detected, I propose we have a control group to see if a test participant could sense a slowly moving hand of a non-practitioner of bio-energy cultivation using the same speed and motion I would use during the test. You may have all the physics in your head about convection plumes and the like, and you obviously can see how this could possibly throw off the test with your physics-trained mind's eye. But in practical application, a person who had no visual clues couldn't sense a very slowly circling hand--convection plume or no convection plume, and a control group could easily show this. In fact, I think a control group would be the responsible scientific thing to do. I was surprised Wednesday night when you didn't agree.
You mentioned that some things I've proposed didn't match up with the Rosa protocols. Well a lot of things we've agreed upon do not match up like: motion detectors, fans, lasers, tic-tac-toe threads, etc. Let's remember, Jim, we're still in the rough draft stage here. None of this is set in stone until J.Randi signs the application. So let's keep working, and I'm certain we can do this right. I believe that we can do something really worthwhile here, and I am willing and dedicated to spend as much time as it takes. If you give me a chance, I can show you as well as others that I can emit energy from my hand specific to a practitioner of bio-energy cultivation/chigong-taiji which can be detected by an individual. This test and its positive results, I believe, will have very positive ramifications.
Lastly, I wanted to say that I will need to have the fan type and speed as well as the motion detectors and settings prior to the test so I can practice. I, of course, will buy them on my own, I will just need the makes, models, and settings so I can practice with the exact same equipment at the exact same settings. I will also need a private area for at least one hour so I can prepare for the test. If classes are out at BW or Case, I can't see how this will be a problem. You can wand me all you like once I come into the testing room. I won't cheat. I don't have to.
I appreciate all your efforts, and I hope that you're excited about this venture like me.
Sincerely, Jeff
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----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Fatica
To: Jim Kutz
Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 1:19 PM
Subject: test
Jim,
I realized this morning I have a few more thoughts on the test that need to be expressed.
First of all, I left out one detail which to me is taken for granted. But now that you got me thinking about convection plumes and the like, I now realize that I have to mention this taken for granted fact.
When we talked on Wednesday, I explained that chi energy is currently indefinable. But with the definitions we have, I said that chi is something like a "hybrid" energy--something like a combination of psychic energy and physical energy which serves as a bridge between the two. Well, for the test, this means that in order for me to emit energy from my palms, I have to "pulse" my hands physically in order to get this hybrid energy flowing from out of the palms. This pulsation takes the following form:
The four fingers are gently pressed against each other laterally with a slight curvical arch.
The thumb is separate by about two inches.
The thumb and fingers move out and then move together slowly like the action of a fishes' mouth when its trying to breathe in oxygen out of the water.
As I see now, this might change things dramatically. I'm sorry I didn't mention this before but better now than later.
This, I am sure, is a non-negotiable. If I couldn't pulse my hands, then the energy wouldn't come out. Taking away this pulsation would be the equivalent of taking away the pistons from an internal combustion engine (or something to that effect). The energy would just not move, and there would, essentially, be no emission.
As I see it now, it seems as if we are going to have to meet in person so I can show you the rates of hand movement speed,
and the rate of pulsation in terms of the oft-mentioned convection plumes and motion detector settings. I have a car and know the Cleveland area well enough to meet with you wherever is convenient.
At all costs, let's not give up. We may be on the verge of something that is worth far more than a million U.S. dollars.
Sincerely, Jeff
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----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Fatica
To: Jim Kutz
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 12:15 AM
Subject: mr. green here...
Jim,
Well the hat is officially off to you Mr. Kutz. Your last e-mails were quite impressive. Pictures, handmade graphics, scientific explanations, catalog numbers----truly outstanding work. I thank you on my behalf for this work, and I hope the whole process becomes a success. I know I will do my part.
Currently I am in the process of buying the proposed strait-line laser level. I will have one tomorrow (most probably), and I will experiment with it in the manner you suggested. If the light emission is as weak as you say, I can't imagine that my "chi" wouldn't pass through it easily. I will get back to you as soon as I find out.
The mirrors are fine with me. Mirrors, from what I've read, are supposed to reflect chi energy to some degree, but since I won't be emitting into them, I can't see that they will either help or hurt my efforts or the test procedures.
A few minutes ago, I put my hand on the back of my computer to check the fan's strength. If that fan is about 2 feet away from the test hands, then I foresee no problem unless, as you said, the air reflects off of my hands and onto the test participant's hands. If that happened, then yes, that would create more problems than it solved.
On the subject of hand movement... If you saw the rate of speed I move my hands, then you wouldn't have a problem. No, I will not even attempt any "grandiose magician's gestures" to create a wind effect to cheat on the test. That would be silly and not worth my time or yours. Plus which, as I said before: I don't need to cheat. Doing things like that will not happen; I wouldn't waste your time in such a manner.
Lastly... Here is something interesting... Remember when we talked last Wednesday, and you asked about a name I could use for an alias? Well the first and final name that came into my mind last week was Mr. Green. I kid you not. So, if you would like a name to use as an alias (however that works itself out), then please use Mr. Green. (Emerald green has been my favorite color for some time now--green as in color--not green as in greenback.)
Thanks for all the hard work,
Jeff
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----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Fatica
To: Jim Kutz
Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2004 6:42 PM
Subject: test again
Dear Jim,
As you already know, I've been giving a lot of thought to this JREF Test. One of the many thoughts I have been turning over in my mind is the idea of a control test. I believe the protocols we have stated thus far cannot be manipulated to achieve positive results by non-practitioners of bio-energy cultivation. I may be wrong. However, if SSS were to conduct a control test, then I humbly request to be present during at least one of these tests.
My request comes not out of suspicion that the SSS would do anything to ensure a legitimate applicant gets no closer than an e-mail's breath to the million dollar prize. Rather, if the protocols couldn't be used as stated and I saw it with my own two eyes, then I could live the rest of my life more peacefully. Otherwise, the obvious questions would plague me for years to come.
Sincerely, Jeff
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Kramer,
Regarding the Fatica test:
I want to RETRACT ( and bury in the back yard ) the idea that it might be educational to let Rosa testees make very limited hand movements with greater hand separation, so it'd be "evident to any observer" they can't do squat anyhow. My idea ( which seemed alright at the time ) was that TTPs might come out of the woodwork to be tested, with the same idea Fatica had ( "with a sensitive on BOTH sides of the table, how can we lose?" ).
THIS COULD BADLY COMPROMISE THE DEBUNKING VALUE OF THE ROSA TEST THROUGHOUT MEDICINE, and I'm sorry I ever suggested it.
REASON #1: If JREF does a Rosa test with even a little hand movement, all the TTPs will start saying the original Rosa test was no good because it didn't allow hand movements. The Rosa test is the only thing LIMITING the spread of TT in medicine. The quacks won't come to JREF to be tested -- they know better. They'll get tested someplace without adequate controls, as they always do, and 'prove' TT works.
REASON #2: There's a very good reason why the Rosas didn't allow hand movements, and didn't use their notoriety to do a followup test with hand movements. They wanted the Rosa Test to focus entirely on the diagnostic phase of TT, the so-called assessment phase where the TTP only READS the so-called energy field to figure out what's wrong with it. If the TTP can't sense the energy field, there can be no diagnosis. That doesn't mean squat to the public but it's a huge deal in medicine -- if the diagnostic phase doesn't work, there can be no justifiable treatment.
THAT was the genius of Rosa. It's why a JAMA editorial called TT "unjustifiable". It's unethical to manipulate someone's chi without diagnosing it first -- whether the damned thing exists or not !!
The Rosas get fantastic debunking mileage out of focusing EXCLUSIVELY on assessment-phase failure, reaching a great many devastating conclusions stated in the study. I didn't realize that 'til I sat down and read past the methods.
Given how devastatingly Rosa did its job, trying to adapt the Rosa test to 'intervention phase' TT would be like using a good screwdriver to chisel concrete. If senders want to test, they shouldn't sign up for Rosa. For one thing, transmission / intervention is done with the receiver fully clothed. Medical TTs wouldn't DARE say they need bare skin, because they give head-to-foot sweeps in open hospital wards, and the gullible don't have to be nekkid.
Being able to 'clothe' the receiving hand would make controls a LOT easier -- just stretch some fabric over a 'drum-head', and they 'should' be able to transmit through it. That air gap just INVITES exploitation by hand movements.
Page and I discussed this, and we will NOT try to get Fatica to test by suggesting a horse-trade of greater hand distance for limited hand movement. Kramer,
Regarding the Fatica test:
I want to RETRACT ( and bury in the back yard ) the idea that it might be educational to let Rosa testees make very limited hand movements with greater hand separation, so it'd be "evident to any observer" they can't do squat anyhow. My idea ( which seemed alright at the time ) was that TTPs might come out of the woodwork to be tested, with the same idea Fatica had ( "with a sensitive on BOTH sides of the table, how can we lose?" ).
THIS COULD BADLY COMPROMISE THE DEBUNKING VALUE OF THE ROSA TEST THROUGHOUT MEDICINE, and I'm sorry I ever suggested it.
REASON #1: If JREF does a Rosa test with even a little hand movement, all the TTPs will start saying the original Rosa test was no good because it didn't allow hand movements. The Rosa test is the only thing LIMITING the spread of TT in medicine. The quacks won't come to JREF to be tested -- they know better. They'll get tested someplace without adequate controls, as they always do, and 'prove' TT works.
REASON #2: There's a very good reason why the Rosas didn't allow hand movements, and didn't use their notoriety to do a followup test with hand movements. They wanted the Rosa Test to focus entirely on the diagnostic phase of TT, the so-called assessment phase where the TTP only READS the so-called energy field to figure out what's wrong with it. If the TTP can't sense the energy field, there can be no diagnosis. That doesn't mean squat to the public but it's a huge deal in medicine -- if the diagnostic phase doesn't work, there can be no justifiable treatment.
THAT was the genius of Rosa. It's why a JAMA editorial called TT "unjustifiable". It's unethical to manipulate someone's chi without diagnosing it first -- whether the damned thing exists or not !!
The Rosas get fantastic debunking mileage out of focusing EXCLUSIVELY on assessment-phase failure, reaching a great many devastating conclusions stated in the study. I didn't realize that 'til I sat down and read past the methods.
Given how devastatingly Rosa did its job, trying to adapt the Rosa test to 'intervention phase' TT would be like using a good screwdriver to chisel concrete. If senders want to test, they shouldn't sign up for Rosa. For one thing, transmission / intervention is done with the receiver fully clothed. Medical TTs wouldn't DARE say they need bare skin, because they give head-to-foot sweeps in open hospital wards, and the gullible don't have to be nekkid.
Being able to 'clothe' the receiving hand would make controls a LOT easier -- just stretch some fabric over a 'drum-head', and they 'should' be able to transmit through it. That air gap just INVITES exploitation by hand movements.
Page and I discussed this, and we will NOT try to get Fatica to test by suggesting a horse-trade of greater hand distance for limited hand movement.
-Page
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Jeff,
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NEW: We'd want to swab your hand surfaces\, and your partner's hands amd forearms, wherever your hands pass over.
We'd be looking for any topical preparation that heats the sending hand. increases the heat emission of the sending hand.
hypersensitizes nerve ends of the receiving hand. increases the infrared absorption of the receiving hand. couples infrared to nerve. We'd discard the swabs unless you pass; then we'd send 'em to JREF along with the videos, in case JREF wanted to analyze them.
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NEW: Your passing score works out to 24 hits out of 30 trials ( 80 % for the 1,000:1 odds against chance. I promised to send you the page out of a table, but we couldn't find a table that went up to 30 trials, so we computed it.
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You mentioned side glow from the laser on your hands. We'll put a hood over the test laser to cast a very crisp shadow.
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NEW: Since your chi now goes through solid materials, you might want more than one guide thread to show you where the laser beam is. A diagonal thread tends to make your perception tip a little, but it's up to you. If you only want one guide thread, we'll ask you to sign that it was your choice and so state on camera.
--
Are you sure you want your partner's palms up? Before you said your aim point was her Heku acupuncture point on the back of her hand where thumb bone almost intersects forefinger bones. In Rosa, distances are measure skin to nearest skin. We can tilt the laser to maintain nearly constant distance from fingertips to mid-forearm.
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NEW: If your partner's fingers need to curl up toward yours, we;ll probably use a second laser, The distance between the two parallel beams will then be the distance. Partner contact with the lower beam counts as a foul.
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If your partner's palms are down as we discussed, we can make her a nice hand-rest like an ergonomic mouse only flatter. We'd mold it out of plastic and cover it with fabric. A laser pointer would be aimed just over her middle knuckles.
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If Randi requires additional heat control, we can attach a metal shelf to her opague shield, extending out over her hands, but not obstructing your line of sight to her hands. The shelf is ordinary bolt-together shelving, and is warmed to roughly skin temperature by a bulb. That way your partner can't tell from the warmth whether your hand is there or not.
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Minimum skin-to-skin distance in Rosa is 3 1/8 inches skin-to-nearest skin at closest point.
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If you want a hand movement, JREF must pre-approve it and give us specs on it before SSS is allowed to consider it during final negotiations. ( We have no latitude to change Rosa except for scientific necessities ). Suggest nail down other protocol elements first.
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Whether or not a hand movement is approved, motion detection is required by the "no-judging" rule ( otherwise testee could flap hand violently and referees could not judge it a violation ).
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Your Aug. 28 offer increases partner's hand separation to 2.5 feet. That large a distance causes focusing problems for the cameras, which can't keep both the nearer hand and the farther hand sharply in focus. Request you revert to your earlier offer of 1.5 ft.
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-- both Anita and I are wanded with a metal detector to make sure we're not "bugged" with electronic devices
Previously agreed by SSS.
--at an approved upon table, I sit opposite Anita who is seated behind an opaque barrier
Previously agreed by SSS ( possibility two tables separated by a small gap to limit vibration ),
--guide thread is positioned five inches from the surface of the table and over her hands
Distance must be specified between hands and will be measured at test time.
--a laser indicator light is emitted five inches above the hand/table area
Laser cannot be at level of thread; must be slightly below.
--noise attenuation is employed with ear muffs and white noise machine
Previously agreed by SSS
--hospital mask (or something to that effect) is worn to prevent blowing on hands
Previously agreed by SSS. Hardware-store dust mask fine.
--a second participant flips a coin to signify left or right hand
A referee flips coin.
--, I will place my right hand above the thread over the indicated hand
You slowly ease hand into position so as not to set off motion detector.
Speed limit not yet known, but reasonable.
--I will emit chi* from my right hand over the indicated hand by "pulsing" my hand
Currently disallowed by Rosa. unless JREF says otherwise,
Hand "hovers" ( verb: to remain stationary )
--Using as much time as needed, Anita answers left or right, I remove my hand, the light goes off, and the second test
Timeout required by "binary test" requirement, to ensure that no trial left hanging.
You previously requested 15 seconds, with 4 sec. warning before partner runs out of time;
goto next trial if partner responds early.
participant marks her answer
Referee records response. Partner keeps hands stationary to avoid re-measurement,
--repeat for thirty authentic trials
Previously agreed by SSS
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Mr. Kutz has proposed using motion detectors to make sure no wind effect is involved in order to assure that nothing other than chi is effecting Anita's hands.
Motion detector is required by "no judging" rule as hand is eased into position, regardless of
whether or not hand movement is authorized by JREF thereafter. Motion detector is scientific
necessity to meet this Challenge requirement. Testee has already signed off on Challenge
terms, which include scientific necessities to implement them.
He also proposed using some type of fan to "scoot" some air between our hands to rule out convection plumes, water vapor, or heat being passed between the hands. But at five inches apart, I don't see how this will be needed.
Anita is a petite Indonesian woman. The top part of her palm will be roughly three quarter inches from the surface of the table. But since I have to pulse my hands to get the chi to be emitted from my palms, my hand will have to be curved which means my palm, out of which the chi is emitted, will have to be at least one inch above the thread. This means that there will be at least five inches total between our palms.
Fingers count against hand distance, because fingers emit non-paranormal air currents etc.
However, there's less pressure for extra distance if you find plastic film or whatever which passes
chi yet blocks radiant heat as Randi has ordered. Minimum Rosa distance is 3 1/8 inches. Your offer
is around 3 1/2 inches if your palm is over partner's Heku point near wrist, and your fingers are over the
bulge in her forearm. In any case, minimum Rosa distance is 3 1/8" skin-to-skin to be set at test time,
unless JREF sees scientific necessity of increasing it.
Fan is still needed to prevent 'greehouse effect' under plastic, especially if there are hot lights for
the cameras. SSS continues to declare scientific necessity of fan until we know type of plastic and
how positioned. We don't know yet to what degree Randi is relying on fan AND plastic. Plastic doesn't
eliminate all radiant heat, just some of it. If you don't want plastic to be thick, let the fan carry away some
of the heat. SSS not clear on why fan would be intrusive. Breezy sun rooms are considered
favorable for TT.
If a trial goes wrong in the form of a sneeze or a bump of the table or what not, we simply disregard the trial and do as many more to come up with thirty.
-Jim
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Hello Jim,
Agreed. We'd like limit of 15 fouls
Prior to the test, I will need to warm up for at least a half hour in private somewhere--preferably in a room. I can be watched by a video camera if need be.
Fine.
Additionally, I can only do the test in the late afternoon/early evening hours: 4pm-8pm.
Schedules permitting.
*type "chi" on Microsoft Works software near you. Hit Tools/Thesaurus on it and see what you find. If its good enough for Bill Gates to recognize, I suppose its good enough for me.
Type "Blue Unicorn" and the SSS mascot will come to you. Some people have trouble seeing her ( misaligned planes of existence, that sort of thing ).
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Kramer,
Here's our assessment of the changes needed and not needed to Rosa, to test the claim on Fatica's app, based on scientific necessity.
Testee's approval is not required and was not sought, since he's spiked every protocol proffer to date with disallowed hand movements contrary to his Challenge app, including his latest dated Aug. 26 sent to you.
Under Challenge rules SSS can't touch any package deal at odds with Fatica's app. We're bound by "what will constitute the demonstration" to the same degree as the testee. A pre-test contrary to his app would be invalid, and there's no point even talking about it, despite Mr. Fatica's relentless determination to waste our time going back on his app.
The attached assessment summarizes how Rosa will apply in any protocol we design, unless and until JREF says differently. Beyond this point, any communication from Mr. Fatica proposing to violate his app will be discarded, as will any communication disputing the necessity of compliance with his app.
Best,
Jim
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Dear Kramer,
I must commend Mr. Kutz and Dr. Stephens for a job well done.
Obviously this case is closed. I tested to pass "chi" through plastic and tissue paper with others receiving negative results. I tried my best Kramer, but my best could not pass your test.
I believe the work done here is not in vain. You may well have other applicants whose claim will be similar to mine, and now you have superlative guidelines for such a claim--if you didn't have them before.
Keep up the good work on exposing those who would hurt and defraud others.
May peace be to you and yours,
Jeff
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Just think about the hours that went into this. The mind boggles.
