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"It makes you think ..."

Alareth

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Alareth
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Today at work I notice my coworker intently focused on something on the computer. He's making all the "hmm" and "huh" noises as secrets are becoming clear to him. I walk over and find him on youtube watching this video:

"Occult Secrets of Jay Z, Kanye & Nas"


It was a video response to this video, which someone had linked to him in an email:

"David Rockefeller and Jay-Z Rocafella connection"


By the time he got to this next one, all his logical thought processes appeared to be grinding to a complete halt. Be warned, the next one cites not only the Illuminati, but "Jesus Prophecy" and our old favorite, Loose Change as well:

"ILLUMINATI - 666 - CALL 911"


I tried to reason with him and point out the paranoia and flaws with the "evidence" but all I could get from him was, "Maybe, but it makes you think doesn't it?"

Why does it seem that "It makes you think" is the first thing people say when they stop thinking?

I'm holding out hope that he may veer back towards reality and pointed him in the direction of better places to research than youtube and that Wikipedia is just a starting point and to take the information there with a grain of salt.

And, lastly, the comments sections for these videos are my pure veins of raw "Stundium" and I better not see any claim jumpers in the nomination thread!
 
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I think their "makes you think" observation is probably accurate.

I'm going to go out on a limb here. The "debunkers" here; the critical thinkers, the engineers and technicians and doctors and lawyers and others of us, I'm guessing that, like me, when you were a kid you grew up being fascinated with the world around you. When you saw Dad fixing the lawnmower I bet you sat there and watched and pointed at something as said "what does that do?".

You're one of those people who wants to know how things work. You want to understand how the pieces fit together and relate to each other in order to produce the seemingly magical end result. When you saw Dad mow the lawns you wanted to understand how it came to be that the grass in front was long, and the grass behind was short. You wanted to know what went on under that machine and inside it. And when Dad fixed it - that was a perfect opportunity to get a look and try work it out. You saw the machine, you understood all of its pieces, and it all came together.

Now you might have applied that to any number of fields. Maybe you had an interest in how the law works, and became a lawyer. Maybe it fascinated you how all those bits made up a building, and you became a structural engineer. Maybe you were fascinated by how one little error or problem could produce a snowball of cataclysmic results, and you became an accident investigator. Maybe you were fascinated by how our bodies worked, and became a doctor. Maybe you were more interested in how people interacted with each other, and became a psychologist, or a philosopher, or even a writer.

Despite the wide range of careers, the common theme here is wanting to know how things work. You wanted to understand how that grass got short. And I'm sure all of you have met people in your professions who weren't like that. People who got into the job because their dad did, or because it was considered a good career, or perhaps they fell into it, or maybe they thought they could make a lot of money. Those people didn't care how the machine made the grass short - they just knew if you ran the machine over the grass it would get shorter, and that was enough for them.

The difference between the first group and the second is that by the time they're an adult, the first group has a fundamental understanding of how things work, and more importantly, how to look for how things they've never seen before work. Their "common sense" is built on an understanding that things interacting with other things produce certain results.

So you come across 9/11, and you look into it, and you can see how 9/11 works - how all the pieces fit together. You immediately look underneath the lawnmower and you spot the drive shaft and the blades and the engine.

In contrast, this other group aren't like that. They've never cared how things work. They just accept that things do work, and take advantage of that, and when things stop working they get someone else to make it work again, and don't care what's done, as long as in the end the thing is back making the grass short.

Then one day those people come across something that they don't have any experience with whatsoever. And for the first time, it "makes them think", but they've never learned how to look for how things work, so they go about it all wrong. Instead of trying to work out how the machine makes the grass short, instead they're asking if the grass is really short after all.

And that's how you get a conspiracy theorist.

Bottom line. What is the difference between a critical thinker and a conspiracy theorist? Curiosity. Critical thinkers have it. Conspiracy theorists don't.
 
gumboot...well put.

I would add that a CTist tends to work backward from a biased premise, picking what evidence fits said premise. In contrast, a critical thinker tends to work forward from the evidence presented in its totality, arriving at a conclusion based on the analysis of said evidence, and the MOST LIKELY outcome or causation based on it.

And yes, I was almost exactly as you described as a child.

TAM:)
 
Easy answer

David Rockefeller is 92 years old. So a 92 year old man controls the world in his retirement home? Why are twoofers so obsessed about old man David Rockefeller? Oh and check this out:

Laurance Spelman Rockefeller was David Rockefellers brother.

"As might be guessed by his name, Laurence Rockefeller has a lot of money. He's the grandson of John D. Rockefeller, founder of the dynasty, and brother of John D. III, Nelson, Winthrop, and David Rockefeller."

http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc934.htm

"Over the past few years, Andrews has conducted research on crop circles with money from Lawrence Rockefeller. Andrews hired a laboratory in Michigan to analyze plant material from the circles."

http://www.usatoday.com/news/science/2002-08-06-crop-signs_x.htm

So Lawrence Rockefeller was just like these people? He was a twoofer or maybe even believe in many CT"s? :D
 
infamous Rockefeller?

Oh yeah and same people say that Winthrop Rockefeller was Bill Clintons father. Bill Clinton is the son of Winthrop Rockefeller? Paranoid people think that Rockefellers control everything. Oh yeah and the famous quote:

"For more than a century, ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."

David Rockefeller, Memoirs, 2002
 
It helps?

Well David Icke said that Boxcar Willie was a reptile, a satanist and a paedophile. And Davey boy allso said that Kris Kristofferson is a torturer and a reptile. So I guess Kanye and Jay Z too are reptiles or atleast satanists? David Icke claims that people will not sue him because what he says is true. Well didn"t Richard Warman sue David Icke?

"Richard Warman sues Vancouver Public Library

Over the book "Children of the Matrix" by David Icke"

http://www.richardwarman.com/libel.html

So I guess other people should allso sue Icke? :D
 
gumboot said:
When you saw Dad fixing the lawnmower I bet you sat there and watched and pointed at something as said "what does that do?"....You're one of those people who wants to know how things work.
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I used to wonder why 2 + 2 = 4 and 2 x 2 = 4 but 3 + 3 didn't equal 3 x 3. I also remember wondering why the interval between the squares of sequential integers were always odd numbers and never even ones.

Those kind of things "made me think".

I can't ever remember thinking that LBJ had JFK shot so he could bomb Hanoi. JFK was quite capable of ordering an escalation in Vietnam all on his own (which he did under his administration, of course).

The first time I heard about the CD "theory" of the WTC collapses, it didn't "make me think". It made me laugh.
 
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