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Is Separation Real? Is Objectivity Real?

Donn said:
Caught in a landslide,
no escape from reality.
Open your eyes ...
Look to the skies and seeeee

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What, in your experience of being alive, demonstrates to you unequivocally that separation exists?

IR
 
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Well, this proves it. The fact that we need to ask each other to clarify our questions proves that for all intents and purposes, we are all separate people.
 
I Robot said:
Is separation real, or merely a story?

IR
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by separate do you mean?: Are we each a separate parcel of consciousness living an identity, having experiences, memories and etc; all computed within our skulls?
 
LarryS said:
by separate do you mean?: Are we each a separate parcel of consciousness living an identity, having experiences, memories and etc; all computed within our skulls?
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I mean... is there really separation in anything within your consciousness?

Can you demonstrate it?

Or is it merely that a narrative of separation exists and that this can be clung on to?

Thus creating the sense of an independent psychological entity that does the clinging.

IR
 
I Robot said:
Is separation real, or merely a story?

IR
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How come you are assuming everyone knows what you are talking about when you are using a word with a specialized meaning known only to the superstition subculture?

The word 'separation' has dozens of meanings all of which are subtopics in the Skeptics Forum. The first thing that I thought of is the spatial separation between two observers in relativity. That is the main issue of contention in a hot relativity thread that I have participated in. The second thing that I thought of is the hypothetical separation between mind and material brain. The third thing is that I thought of is 'out of body experiences' (OBE) where the soul separates from the body. This is a hot topic in several threads. Although part of the second topic, it can be argued separately. The third thing that I thought of is the separation of personalities in a split brain, which is the topic of still another thread. The fifth thing that I thought of is the separation of of inheritance from DNA, which is also called 'transgenerational epigenetic inheritance'. That is a hot thread in a topic that I am very interested in.

Several posters have asked you to explain precisely what you mean be Separation. So apparently I am not the only one confused. However, you keep on repeating the word 'separation' without specifying it, making generalized statements that may refer to our inability to keep an open mind.

You may be joking, but I doubt it. This seems to be a common practice of woo-peddlers. They assume that the rest of us can read their mind, and that we know we can read their mind.

As a physicist, I use a lot of specialized jargon myself. However, I generally try to explain what I mean in more detail when someone asks me. I also try to know those words that are specialized jargon. When I start a post something with a word that I know has a special meaning, I try to give an explanation of what that word means as part of original post (OP).

When writing anything, including a post in a BS science forum, you should know your audience. That means having a rough idea of what sort of specialized jargon they are familiar with. You must also have some idea of why the topic would be interesting to this audience. In the case of this 'Skeptics Forum', you should know why anybody would be Skeptical.

Hey, I don't even know if I should be skeptical. I don't know if your 'separation' is mainstream or not. I have side stream ideas myself. If you were talking about OBE, then I would probably fight you. If you are talking about 'simultaneity in relativity', then I would say 'Yes, definitely!'. If you were talking about 'transgenerational epigenetic inheritance', then I would say 'worth looking into'.

So I have three questions more interesting than whatever nonsense you are referring to.

1) How are the 'skeptics' in this forum supposed to understand what you mean by 'Separation'?

2) Do you know precisely what you mean by 'Separation'?


3) What type of people do you think are going to be skeptical about this 'Separation', whatever it means?



I think that I am going to Separate myself from this thread unless I get some explanation! :p
 
No, it isn't real. We are all the same slice of consciousness in a giant mind. I know how to hack the barriers to read others', I mean, my other slices.

Oh, wait, I suppose that implies separation even if running on the same super godbrain.
 
I certainly can't separate out the question from the noise. So, bye and good luck.
 
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