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Iraq War a Mistake

Crossbow

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Wow!

In case you all missed it, just about all of the pro-Iraq War people now agree that the Iraq War was a mistake.

It only took about twelve years, thousands of dead Americans, tens of thousands (possibly hundreds of thousands) of dead Iraqis, and hundreds of billions of dollars, but just about all them (even many of the stupid, idiotic, lying, and until a few weeks ago pro-war Republicans) to accept the truth of the situation. Hopefully, the next time it will only take them half as long to make such and obvious conclusion.

http://news.yahoo.com/white-house-hopefuls-agree-iraq-war-mistake-071159346--election.html

White House hopefuls agree: Iraq war a mistake

WASHINGTON (AP) — A dozen years later, American politics has reached a rough consensus about the Iraq War: It was a mistake.
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In her memoir last year, Clinton wrote that she had voted based on the information available at the time, but "I got it wrong. Plain and simple."
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All these Republicans said last week that, in hindsight, they would not have invaded Iraq with what's now known about the faulty intelligence that wrongly indicated Saddam Hussein had stockpiled weapons of mass destruction.
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Former President George W. Bush and his vice president, Dick Cheney, still maintain that ousting a brutal and unpredictable dictator made the world safer.
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Crossbow said:
Wow!

In case you all missed it, just about all of the pro-Iraq War people now agree that the Iraq War was a mistake.

It only took about twelve years, thousands of dead Americans, tens of thousands (possibly hundreds of thousands) of dead Iraqis, and hundreds of billions of dollars, but just about all them (even many of the stupid, idiotic, lying, and until a few weeks ago pro-war Republicans) to accept the truth of the situation. Hopefully, the next time it will only take them half as long to make such and obvious conclusion.

http://news.yahoo.com/white-house-hopefuls-agree-iraq-war-mistake-071159346--election.html

White House hopefuls agree: Iraq war a mistake

WASHINGTON (AP) — A dozen years later, American politics has reached a rough consensus about the Iraq War: It was a mistake.
…
In her memoir last year, Clinton wrote that she had voted based on the information available at the time, but "I got it wrong. Plain and simple."
…
All these Republicans said last week that, in hindsight, they would not have invaded Iraq with what's now known about the faulty intelligence that wrongly indicated Saddam Hussein had stockpiled weapons of mass destruction.
…
Former President George W. Bush and his vice president, Dick Cheney, still maintain that ousting a brutal and unpredictable dictator made the world safer.
…
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I wonder if either of them know (or can comprehend) the idea that ISIS is a direct result of the invasion of Iraq.

Al Qaeda is to Regan as ISIS is to
A) Nixon
B) Charlie Wilson
C) Bush the 2nd
D) The attack on Pearl Harbor
 
They all had the same DD information, and even though I thought the invasion and war was unnecessary and wrong, in fairness, it seems a lot of people were lead by bad data.
 
The Republicans realized that ousting Saddam (and therefore breaking Iraq) was a bad idea in the first war. Coming into George W.'s administration, cabinet members felt the same way.
 
So Jeb has finally backed fully off his statement that his brother is his best adviser on the middle east and that knowing what he knows now, he would still invade Iraq?
 
ponderingturtle said:
So Jeb has finally backed fully off his statement that his brother is his best adviser on the middle east and that knowing what he knows now, he would still invade Iraq?
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Half of it.

Funny that Jeb gets all the criticisms when the fact is that the only Candidate who voted for the war was Hillary Clinton.
 
I'm sick of the media playing Gotcha Questions with candidates and then misreporting results. Even NPR seems to be implying Jeb's first answer, which was clearly an answer to the wrong question, was somehow a valid answer.

No mistake, his attention to detail was lacking when he answered, and that alone could be the story if the media hadn't collectively decided to spin it the other way.
 
16.5 said:
Half of it.

Funny that Jeb gets all the criticisms when the fact is that the only Candidate who voted for the war was Hillary Clinton.
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A week ago that was a meaningless Red Herring, but now it's an actual lie. Care to walk it back?
 
Jrrarglblarg said:
I'm sick of the media playing Gotcha Questions with candidates and then misreporting results. Even NPR seems to be implying Jeb's first answer, which was clearly an answer to the wrong question, was somehow a valid answer.

No mistake, his attention to detail was lacking when he answered, and that alone could be the story if the media hadn't collectively decided to spin it the other way.
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Its ok, the third time a President Bush goes to war in Iraq it will surely be the charm.
 
Jrrarglblarg said:
I'm sick of the media playing Gotcha Questions with candidates and then misreporting results. Even NPR seems to be implying Jeb's first answer, which was clearly an answer to the wrong question, was somehow a valid answer.

No mistake, his attention to detail was lacking when he answered, and that alone could be the story if the media hadn't collectively decided to spin it the other way.
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Well the media needs something to rage about. If there are no stories, they need to manufacture them. Do any of us think that any serious Democrat or Republican voter is going to change their position based on Jeb's answer?
 
ponderingturtle said:
Its ok, the third time a President Bush goes to war in Iraq it will surely be the charm.
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It's ok, the third time Democrats in Congress vote to go to war in Iraq it will surely be a another chance for partisans to ignore that and blame it all on Bush.
 
Bogative said:
It's ok, the third time Democrats in Congress vote to go to war in Iraq it will surely be a another chance for partisans to ignore that and blame it all on Bush.
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Ah the republican moto "we accept no responsibility for our actions".

And really republican presidents should be treated like developmentally delayed children and not permitted near sharp objects.
 
I changed my tune sometime around Katrina IIRC.

The Iraq War was a mistake. A big one.
 
I still think the idea of taking down a horrible tyrant was a good one. The execution was terrible and on the whole the world would be better if we hadn't tried to do something I think was good in intention.
 
Monketey Ghost said:
They all had the same DD information, and even though I thought the invasion and war was unnecessary and wrong, in fairness, it seems a lot of people were lead by bad data.
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This was my view for a long time. Then I found out that Cheney had changed his view from (it would be a quagmire) to advocating an invasion of Iraq before he was even VP. Oddly enough, Cheney's prediction of a quagmire was correct. The war STILL isn't over no matter what anyone tells you.

8/27/00 America must not act as "an imperialist power, willy-nilly moving into capitals in that part of the world, taking down governments."—VP candidate Cheney
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10/3/00 Debating Al Gore, George W. Bush says he'd commit troops only with an "exit strategy," and he'd be "very careful about using our troops as nation builders."
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How did that work out?
 
Travis said:
I still think the idea of taking down a horrible tyrant was a good one. The execution was terrible and on the whole the world would be better if we hadn't tried to do something I think was good in intention.
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Wow! Thanks much 'Travis', I never thought that I would see such a post from you.

While you still support the war, you are now at least admitting the war was waged very incorrectly.
 
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