Interesting news without comments

[Gavinimurthy]

Todays El Pais has a bit about an anti inflammatory drug called Vioxx. It seems that it may have caused up 140,000 heart attacks in the USA alone – NOT counting the rest of the world . Wonder when the world will wake up to the fact that antibiotics do NOT vanquish inflammation . They ONLY disperse it, to various points around the body/ It is then classified as “rheumatism”. Having created the inflammatory condition , the pharmaceutical industry then makes a profit out of selling drugs like “Vioxx” . Which can then kill many people by causing heart attacks!!. Those they don’t kill they then prescribe further drugs for the condition of the heart –THAT THEY CREATED!!. A marvelously profitable vicious circle!.

 

[LucyR]

You're joking.

 

[Gavinimurthy]

Merck Announces Voluntary Worldwide
Withdrawal of VIOXX®

WHITEHOUSE STATION, N.J., Sept. 30, 2004—Merck & Co., Inc. today announced a voluntary worldwide withdrawal of VIOXX® (rofecoxib), its arthritis and acute pain medication. The company’s decision, which is effective immediately, is based on new, three-year data from a prospective, randomized, placebo-controlled clinical trial, the APPROVe (Adenomatous Polyp Prevention on VIOXX) trial.

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Edited for Rule 4 ("copyright rule") violation.

http://www.vioxx.com/rofecoxib/vioxx/consumer/index.jsp

 

[Donks]

Re: Re: Interesting news without comments

You're joking.

If only it were so.
[Darth Vader voice]
Delusion is strong with this one!
[/Darth Vader voice]

 

[Dr Adequate]

It would be nice if he troubled to learn the difference between anti-inflamatory and antibiotic drugs.

A man like that... you've got to worrry, might he not confuse homeopathic medicine with psychopathic medicine, or homosexual medicine... or...?

Oh, I see.

Actually, he's confused homeopathic medicine with medicine.

 

[Gavinimurthy]

The entire initial post was copied and pasted.The comments are not mine.

 

[Donks]

The entire initial post was copied and pasted.The comments are not mine.

From whom? Posting other people's stuff unattributed is not a nice thing to do.

 

[Kumar]

From whom? Posting other people's stuff unattributed is not a nice thing to do.

Is it wrong/lie? Long & very long term practical effects may still be awaited for others. I therefore persisted for "absolute" or with long existed healing substances--or time tested,practically.DBI, COX? many others are also in same line.

I therefore also doubted evidances,DB & other advance tests without practical & long term applications---or time tested,practically.

Tested healing substances may not be wrong but not prescribed according to constitutions, individuality can be wrong.

 

[Donks]

Is it wrong/lie? Long & very long term practical effects may still be awaited for others. I therefore persisted for "absolute" or with long existed healing substances--or time tested,practically.DBI, COX? many others are also in same line.

I therefore also doubted evidances,DB & other advance tests without practical & long term applications---or time tested,practically.

That sure made sense. It puts copyright infringment in a whole new light.

 

[Gavinimurthy]

February 7, 2005
Volume 83, Number 6
p. 9


DRUG SAFETY


Celebrex Fight
Consumer group says 1999 study of Pfizer's drug reveals heart hazards


RICK MULLIN


Consumer advocacy group Public Citizen confronted Pfizer last week over a 1999 study of the drug firm's COX-2 inhibitor Celebrex (celecoxib), claiming that the company has been sitting on unfavorable results. The challenge is one of the first stemming from postings on newly launched clinical trial websites.

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http://pubs.acs.org/cen/news/83/i06/8306notw4.html

 

[Gavinimurthy]

Dec. 20 - Millions of people like Paula Frasier who take Celebrex to relieve the pain of arthritis and other conditions, are now wondering what they should do next.

"It's such a relief to be free of pain when you've been in pain for 2 years."

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http://www.waff.com/Global/story.asp?S=2715099

 

[Zep]

Oh, that's right. It was A SCIENTIFIC STUDY that found these potential problems in a drug. Not a homeopath. Scientists. With science. And controlled testing.

...in the trial involving 425 patients...

...is based on new, three-year data from a prospective, randomized, placebo-controlled clinical trial, the APPROVe (Adenomatous Polyp Prevention on VIOXX) trial.

Merck will continue its extensive clinical program to collect additional longer-term data for ARCOXIA, its medication for arthritis and acute pain.

Guess you missed that bit, yes?

Is this a problem for you, Murty, that science corrects itself? Would you rather there were NO scientific studies on medicines, and that anybody at all could tell sick people to take anything they thought might work without any testing whatever? Like homeopaths want and do?

 

[Darat]

Gavinimurthy - please note posting of whole articles is not (generally) allowed and breaches the Membership Agreement you agreed to when you applied for Membership here. I.e.
4. You will not post "copyright-protected" material in its entirety. The JREF has adopted a policy of considering all published material copyrighted, it is not the responsibility of the JREF to determine whether or not the work is in the public domain or if the work may be republished without explicit permission of the copyright holder. Copyrighted content may be posted within the doctrine of "fair use" therefore quoting of brief portions of articles, books, emails, or bulletin board messages, relevant to discussion, is permitted. All quoted material should be credited to the original author or publisher and a link provided (when available) to the original work. It is not possible to declare precisely how much material may be quoted, as it will vary from article to article. We suggest quoting no more than a paragraph. Authors of articles may post their own work, provided they hold publishing rights to the material.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Darat

 

[Kumar]

Oh, that's right. It was A SCIENTIFIC STUDY that found these potential problems in a drug. Not a homeopath. Scientists. With science. And controlled testing.Guess you missed that bit, yes?

Is this a problem for you, Murty, that science corrects itself? Would you rather there were NO scientific studies on medicines, and that anybody at all could tell sick people to take anything they thought might work without any testing whatever? Like homeopaths want and do?

It is not on scientific study but is on practical experiances by mass......Introdction of any substance/medicine forms & is on advanced scientific studies, thereafter on applications--it is practical experiances or time testings.

 

[TeaBag420]

Gavinimurthy - please note posting of whole articles is not (generally) allowed and breaches the Membership Agreement you agreed to when you applied for Membership here. I.e.
4. You will not post "copyright-protected" material in its entirety. The JREF has adopted a policy of considering all published material copyrighted, it is not the responsibility of the JREF to determine whether or not the work is in the public domain or if the work may be republished without explicit permission of the copyright holder. Copyrighted content may be posted within the doctrine of "fair use" therefore quoting of brief portions of articles, books, emails, or bulletin board messages, relevant to discussion, is permitted. All quoted material should be credited to the original author or publisher and a link provided (when available) to the original work. It is not possible to declare precisely how much material may be quoted, as it will vary from article to article. We suggest quoting no more than a paragraph. Authors of articles may post their own work, provided they hold publishing rights to the material.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Darat

The special scrutiny you have exercised in this case is admirable. Please do not quote this copyrighted material.

Are you saying that if I hold the publishing rights (which is not the same as copyright) to someone's material, I may not post it, unless I am the author? I sense that JREF scrimped on legal fees when it came up with copyright policy. This is an area where I have some paid experience.

 

[MRC_Hans]

It is not on scientific study but is on practical experiances by mass......Introdction of any substance/medicine forms & is on advanced scientific studies, thereafter on applications--it is practical experiances or time testings.

No, you are wrong. It is a follow-up study, using scientific methods. It is not just practical experience. Unstructured case reporting cannot disclose these things. For instance, homeopathic remedies could kill thousands, and you would never know, because there is no structured reporting (not that I think they do, since sugar pills are mostly harmless).

Hans

 

[Oleron]

Wonder when the world will wake up to the fact that antibiotics do NOT vanquish inflammation . They ONLY disperse it, to various points around the body/ It is then classified as “rheumatism”. Having created the inflammatory condition , the pharmaceutical industry then makes a profit out of selling drugs like “Vioxx” .

There is just so much wrong with this statement that I'm not sure where to start.

You are quite right when you say that "antibiotics do not vanquish inflammation". But then who has ever said they did? Vioxx is an anti-inflammatory, BTW. Do you even know what causes inflammation?

They disperse it to various points around the body and call it Rheumatism?!!?
Utter rubbish. Complete and total tripe. Jesus wept.

For a start Rheumatism is a blanket term to cover a wide range of illnesses, from back pain to Rheumatoid Arthritis. Each separate illness has a different cause and treatment. Due to the high levels of pain associated with joint disease, reducing discomfort has been a high priority for science - hence vioxx and a massive range of other pain relief medication.

I see the withdrawal of vioxx as deeply disappointing but at least the follow up studies caught the problems. That's why we have regulation.

 

[Kumar]

No, you are wrong. It is a follow-up study, using scientific methods. It is not just practical experience. Unstructured case reporting cannot disclose these things. For instance, homeopathic remedies could kill thousands, and you would never know, because there is no structured reporting (not that I think they do, since sugar pills are mostly harmless).

Hans

But problems on practical experiences initiated more follow up studies. If there would had no practical experiances & just normal studies/tests conducted--these problem could have not known.

 

[Mojo]

The entire initial post was copied and pasted.The comments are not mine.

Do you mean to say that you don't agree with it? If you posted it "without comment" you should be prepared to take some responsibility for the content.