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Intelligence means knowing what's wrong

Piggy

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Back in August '06, Scientific American published an article by Philip Ross entitled "The Expert Mind" which presented evidence that geniuses -- from Amadeus Mozart to Garry Kasparov to Tiger Woods -- shared a few traits in common.

Among these were:

1. Intense training in their specialty, usually from an early age, and;
2. An acute ability to reject wrong answers.

(I wish I could link the article, but SA does not publish free content online.)

I find this latter proposition very intriguing, and I believe it to be true.

It's another way of saying what Hemingway said about great writers -- that they need a "bulletproof ◊◊◊◊ detector". In other words, they have to be able to recognize bad writing. Which, in the end, amounts to rejecting wrong patterns.

According to Ross, people who are unable to effectively recognize and reject wrong options -- whether they be chess moves, chord progressions, passages of prose, or approaches to a putt -- get mired down in dead-end options and are unable to consistently make the correct choice.

I believe the same is true of critical thinking.

To be an effective critical thinker, one must be able to reject clearly wrong options, based on experience, evidence, and proper method.

If this is true, then it must be true that critical thinking is hampered by taking an infinitely open-minded position.

In other words, if you can't ever say "This is wrong," then you're not an effective critical thinker.

Seems to me that skeptics should be able to say without reservation that, for example:

* Ancient flat earth theory is wrong.
* Leprechauns don't exist.
* The Nazis intentionally murdered millions of Jews and others.
* 9/11 was not an inside job.

If anyone is interested in discussing this topic, I'll try to find excerpts of the original article to cite, or other linkable references to the research cited in the article.
 
Knowing when somethings is wrong is definitely one of the most useful research skills, from my experience. Saying that, one do not have to be a genius to be able to do so. It is a learned skill.
 
Knowing when somethings is wrong is definitely one of the most useful research skills, from my experience. Saying that, one do not have to be a genius to be able to do so. It is a learned skill.

That was actually one of Ross's contentions -- that genius is learned.
 
Have you seen Malcolm Gladwell's book "Blink"?
Intriguing stuff.

Yeah, but I didn't like it as well as "The Wisdom of Crowds".

The thing about instincts, it's like Niclaus said about golf: "The harder I work, the luckier I get".
 
To be an effective critical thinker, one must be able to reject clearly wrong options, based on experience, evidence, and proper method.
IOW, instinct. A word you used in a later post. But it seems to me that one must have the ability to discern when one's instincts are not applicable. The worst (best?) example I have seen here is the 911 notion that aluminum tubes (planes) could not damage steel girders. An "effective critical thinker" would be able to recognize that intuition does not apply.

But the key question is how is one able to intuit that one's intuition is inapplicable? It seems almost a circular question.

Good topic, Piggy.
 
I enjoy the company of many people who are not geniuses, and are quite competent and successful in their lives.
Common sense... is that learned, or innate, may have something to do with it, as I know others who are stupid and unsuccessful.
 
Back in August '06, Scientific American published an article by Philip Ross entitled "The Expert Mind" which presented evidence that geniuses -- from Amadeus Mozart to Garry Kasparov to Tiger Woods -- shared a few traits in common.

Among these were:

1. Intense training in their specialty, usually from an early age, and;
2. An acute ability to reject wrong answers.

(I wish I could link the article, but SA does not publish free content online.)

I find this latter proposition very intriguing, and I believe it to be true.

It's another way of saying what Hemingway said about great writers -- that they need a "bulletproof ◊◊◊◊ detector". In other words, they have to be able to recognize bad writing. Which, in the end, amounts to rejecting wrong patterns.

According to Ross, people who are unable to effectively recognize and reject wrong options -- whether they be chess moves, chord progressions, passages of prose, or approaches to a putt -- get mired down in dead-end options and are unable to consistently make the correct choice.

I believe the same is true of critical thinking.

To be an effective critical thinker, one must be able to reject clearly wrong options, based on experience, evidence, and proper method.

If this is true, then it must be true that critical thinking is hampered by taking an infinitely open-minded position.

In other words, if you can't ever say "This is wrong," then you're not an effective critical thinker.

Seems to me that skeptics should be able to say without reservation that, for example:

* Ancient flat earth theory is wrong.
* Leprechauns don't exist.
* The Nazis intentionally murdered millions of Jews and others.
* 9/11 was not an inside job.

If anyone is interested in discussing this topic, I'll try to find excerpts of the original article to cite, or other linkable references to the research cited in the article.
I think people often mistake cleverness for intelligence. IMO an important ingredient of intelligence that’s not required by cleverness is honesty. In particular self-honesty. The ability to be able to sort wheat from chaff is a clever skill that can be learned but I’m not sure that it requires a great deal of intelligence.

Although with some things the answer seems blatantly self-evident it’s not always obvious or easy to define what’s right and what’s wrong. History is littered with “intelligent” rights that have turned out to be wrong.
 
The law of diminishing returns for expertise in cognitive domains. One needs some minimum level of IQ to be good; having more than that doesn't help.

The idea is that for high IQ people, the excess g is invested in some specific cognitive ability and expertise in that then develops.

But no 90 will ever be a rocket scientist, or grand master.
 
The law of diminishing returns for expertise in cognitive domains. One needs some minimum level of IQ to be good; having more than that doesn't help.

The idea is that for high IQ people, the excess g is invested in some specific cognitive ability and expertise in that then develops.

But no 90 will ever be a rocket scientist, or grand master.

Absolutely. IQ is a force multiplier.
 
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But no 90 will ever be a rocket scientist, or grand master.
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But a 90 will cope quite well with the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune.
This coping might permit the rocket scientist or grand master to not have to cope with the slings and arrows, and do rocket scientist things, etc.
 
I believe the same is true of critical thinking.

To be an effective critical thinker, one must be able to reject clearly wrong options, based on experience, evidence, and proper method.

Critical thinking also depends on the heuristic - and as such, a set of values - against which text (information passed on from another individual) is evaluated.

Technically, a person can think critically while assessing all incoming information according to a set of social rules. These might be 'the social position of the communicator takes precedence over my emotional position regarding the information', or 'information in my language takes precedence over information presented in another language'. Many such heuristics are completely unconscious and are inherited from our community as we grow up.

What becomes important, therefore, is for people to develop critical thinking skills that effectively evaluate information for their usefulness. As you put it, it's a process of matching useful patterns while weeding out the less useful ones. Doing this demands inheriting the right value system early in life.

Athon
 
I am known on several message boards as a moron and dilletante. OTOH, I have never been an idiot (I was told in the 8th grade that I was running at a 145 IQ point, but if I'm so smart, why ain't I rich?), but just a **** off. "Intelligence means knowing what's wrong?" Yes, absolutely. I may not always explain what's right, but the moment something catches fire that shouldn't, I'm all over it.

Oh, FTR, in the case of a wildfire, anything that you, a moron who liked the look of a cedar shake roof, liked, it's likely it will contribute to burning your home to the ground.
 
This is purely anecdotal but in my experience being smart often doesn't equate to being allergic to BS (sometimes the opposite, in fact) and someone who rejects other people's BS can be full of their own. Also, someone can be very smart about their own field but not so smart in another.

The great poet Adam Mickiewicz believed in the paranormal and was a devout Catholic. The brilliant comedian Andy Kaufman believed in alternative medicine and a lot of other very weird things. Shirley Maclaine is an intelligent woman and a great actress but she's not very intelligent about other things.

They might have been great artists but they certainly weren't great scientists.
 
This is purely anecdotal but in my experience being smart often doesn't equate to being allergic to BS (sometimes the opposite, in fact) and someone who rejects other people's BS can be full of their own. Also, someone can be very smart about their own field but not so smart in another.

That last point was also part of the article. Being an expert or a genius means being excellent in one particular field or a cluster of fields.

The author claims that intense and prolonged experience is the key, but I don't know how that accounts for polymaths like Newton.

However, I do think that you can't become really good at anything unless you have a keen BS detector for that field.

And what's interesting is that it works both ways. A good BS detector will quickly reject wrong answers that amateurs will waste time puzzling over, but it will also fail to reject false "wrong" answers that the amateurs quickly throw out when they should have considered them. Einstein, for instance, was wonderful at that.
 
Maybe we need to have a new type of IQ test. One that asks 'Which one of these is wrong?'

You actually do find questions like that on traditional IQ tests.

As well as on Sesame Street, God love 'em.

(C'mon, admit it -- the music's playing in your head right now, isn't it? Let's all sing along: "Which of these things....") ;)
 
That last point was also part of the article. Being an expert or a genius means being excellent in one particular field or a cluster of fields.

The author claims that intense and prolonged experience is the key, but I don't know how that accounts for polymaths like Newton.
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Who had his blind sides in alchemy and religion.
 

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